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Hello JohanH; I looked at the medal bar again very closely under a magnifying glass. It is not gold and it does not look like it was gilded and the gold flaked off over the years. It appears silver (with the gold lettering and motif in the center). Your knowledge on the Swedish regulations casts understandable doubt as to the attributed owner (Dr. Martin). But to be clear, from your information, Dr. Martin received the 1st class knight Vasa Order? And in 1912 or even in 1924 the 1st class would be in Gold/Gold-gilt. The Vasa Order in this medal bar is clearly a Silver (2nd class). If Dr. Martin is recorded as receiving the 1st class, could there be any other explanation as to why he would mount the 2nd class his medal bar? Did he even earn a 2nd class and then later earn the 1st class? Or is Dr. Martin clearly not the owner of this medal bar and we need to look again at the list of 196 Germans that received the 2nd class Vasa Order and cross-reference it with the list of German functionaries at the 1912 Olympics?

For a non-Frack bar, isn't the pin in wrong direction?

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Hello; I would like to thank everyone for their input, links and information pertaining this medal bar and the gentleman that owned it. I found all of your insights valuable in addressing this interesting and complex medal bar and its owner.

Hello, This combination is extraordinary. Or is it too good to be true? And if so, is it identifiable?

Ahh, thanks. The addition of the coins looks great!

I posted this bar some time ago. Do you need photos posted directly to this thread or will this link be sufficient? WGMMM w/Lubeck 4-medal bar - Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States - Gentleman's Military Interest Club (gmic.co.uk) Since the last post to the above thread, have there been any updates to the award lists that might further narrow the list of possible recipients?

These were my observations as well. He was 15 years with Bavarians and then served in a different unit? Transfered or moved prior to WWI? Or with the Bavarians he didn't even earn a BMVK. The gent was obviously proud of what he did get by mounting them through Godet (from Berlin!). Maybe he was still in uniform after the war and acting some governmental capacity that he needed his bar to look perfect. That is a really nice medal bar! Thanks for showing it.

Sorry, late to this thread. What a nifty looking device. Look at all those hallmarks and silvermarks! On the underside and on each of the coin holders. If I understand them correctly, you can trace down the manufacturer and the exact year it was made with them. I see it was engraved on the top and underneath by two different owners that used it at different time periods?

Res ipsa loquitur

Trying to find a photo when you are just starting with the name is a lot like Pin-the-tail-on-the-Donkey. Much easier to go from a named photo to the POW rolls. Why the interest in Heinrich Müldner? Very interesting -I see he was a Translator in training and knew 13 languages!

None that I'm aware of. Only in a humorous fashion we are trying to find other uses for fake medals. Sadly, they do come up very regularly and the in the past it was suggested that they would be better used as; inexpensive collector's copies, costume jewelry or on a reenactor's uniform. Don't take it personally. I once bought a Naval Observer's badge that I was sure was real. I even bought it from a recognized dealer and it also had maker-marks and purity marks that would convince any lightly knowledgeable person. It was a bad badge and I had to limp back to the seller to get my money back.

...but needs hooks.

What I found strange is the article reference that the looters haven't reached the tunnel yet, however after tossing aside rusted trench items they haven't gotten to the "treasure trove". What do they consider the treasure? The body remains in decayed uniforms? Rifles, bayonets and other gear in rotted condition? Do they think that there are some helmets in good enough condition to be valuable?

Discovering WW1 tunnel of death hidden in France for a century - BBC News

Thank you. When I was looking at number 8, it looked like there is something above the cross. I couldn't make it out very well.

What a great looking medal bar! I wish I could see some good color photos of that. Any idea where it is now? Still with the family? I couldn't zoom in very well. What is number 8 and 9?

I had no idea that there were so many copies available. In the deep past I had to look a long time for my Volume I and I thought they were still hard to find.

Does anyone need Volume I -Bavaria to complete their collection or personal research? I have an extra one. I found a copy for sale on FB and I bought it for a friend, but it turns out he didn't need it ?. (this is not related to my earlier shipping from Germany problem -that package is still underway to me.)

LOL -I have had that superstition for years now.

I am not at all familiar with paper award bags from Carl Poellath (or Karl Pöllath depending on the time period). They look like their from post-1945. I don't know why they wouldn't be legit. Are they faking the award bags too?

I strongly believe the urkunde is genuine. It is part of a group of documents that belonged to Wilhelm Oppelt, including his other award documents and photos. If it was a forgery, I would imagine that they would stop with just the 1918 award for the Karl Truppen cross. There are two photos of him. While the medals are blocked out, the ribbons are clear and the Karl Truppen cross is there (just the one). --- After thinking more on it, I have one theory to offer. Maybe after the Karl Truppen cross was instituted in December 1916, Oppelt's first authorization document was dated 1915 to show that he earned it back in 1915. Later in 1918, there was a bureaucratic error when he earned it as a pilot that made ten(10) flights over enemy lines and was automatically issued the 1918 authorization document.

I'm confused by this as well.

Hello; From all the A-H medal bars, ribbon bars and photographs I've seen it would suggest ONLY one. However I have personal documents from a gentlemen for notification of the Karl Truppen Kruez in 1915 and then another Karl Truppen Kruez notification in 1918.