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Servus Andreas, there were 3 different forms of MVK. 1st form from 1866 - 1905, one class, silver, blue enamelled. 2nd form from 1905 to late 1913, two-class, 1st class silver with enameled front medallion of gold, 2nd class only in silver. 3. Form late 1913 - 1918 six classes, 1st class with crown and swords (originals very rare), gold-plated, enameled VS medallion in gold, 1st class with swords, as above but without a crown. 2nd class with crown and swords, silvered with enameled VS medallion, 2nd class with swords as above without crown, 3rd class with crown and swords, coppered without enameled medallion, 3rd class as above without crown. The swords were awarded for use in war. For the 1st form, the swords were subsequently donated and could be bought later. 2nd form swords were only awarded in South West Africa (very rare) and 3rd form swords for WW1. Viele Grüße aus Bayern Walter But be careful, the 1st and 2nd forms are often faked, the 1st grades of the 3rd form too.

Da legst Di nieda, bairisch kannst a. My price estimate for an undamaged MVO 4 silver-plated with case is between 450 and 550 euros. Maybe 600 euros in the blue case. Dealers much more expensive. VG Walter

Servus, Silver is hallmarked when the cross bearing the silver hallmarks is made of silver. The swords are often only stamped with 900. It doesn't matter whether the silver is gold plated or hollow. The carrier metal is more important. sh here too: http://h2385226.stratoserver.net/wbb4/index.php?thread/63095-information-%C3%BCber-fineness stamp-in-silver-or-goldware/&postID=390930&highlight=Gesetz%2BSilberwaren#post390930 Just register, it doesn't cost anything, and then you can see the post. 1. If the cross is silver (more than 800/1000), it had to be stamped with a silver hallmark no later than January 1, 1888. In this case, the shape, whether hollow or solid, is not decisive. Even gilding the silver does not change the process. 2. Since the tools for the gold MVOs were available, they were also used for the silver/gold-plated MVOs. Otherwise one would have had to produce new embossing tools for all classes from the 2nd class upwards. This was also done in the 3rd class, even if it would have been easier to gild a 4th class. The real facts and evidence can be found in Sascha Zimmermann's book. Thus, no gold stamps may be present on all silver/gold-plated MVOs. Sorry, my english is very bad. I use an online translator. The terms can sometimes be misrepresented. VG Walter

Servus from Bavaria, Your MVO shown is a 4th grade with silver/gold plated medallions. The flames are not used separately. If you don't want to believe it, I can't change that. Correct is: Weiss did not manufacture 3rd class MVOs. All originally awarded 3rd classes have extra inserted flames. Here a 4th class from Weiss with silver/gilt medallions and flames embossed with it Here the MVO from Sascha Wöschler's archive is greatly enlarged. You can see very well that the flames were not coined.

Here is a picture of the back of a 3rd class Krone X in silver/gold plated from the manufacturer Leser. Note the widened edge of the lower arm of the cross and the separately inserted flames (Sascha Wöschler archive)

Important topic All MVOs made after 1916 no longer had gold parts. In the 4th grades, originally only the medallions were made of gold; after 1916, these were also made in silver/gold-plated. From the 3rd class upwards, all flames of the MVOs were used separately. As a sign of the gilding, the rear lower arm of the cross was surrounded by a widened frame in all classes. If this widened frame is not available, a 3rd class is a subsequently gold-plated 4th class. For example, I'm showing a 2nd class with X in silver/gilt, made after 1916. The manufacturer Weiss & Co. did not produce any 3rd classes. Only 34 copies were retrofitted on September 13, 1916 from Knight's Crosses 2nd Class, with flames and swords. Thus one can state that none of the s/v copies of the manufacturer Weiss & Co. can show a broadened edge of the lower arm of the cross on the back, as they were not made in this way. There are only 34 golden specimens from Weiss, which Weiss converted from Knight's Crosses 2nd Class (according to the old classification). The two-volume book about the MVO by Sascha Zimmermann should be available for purchase later this year. Here you will find what I have written here and everything else about the MVO on approx. 1000 pages. Very few auction houses know that original silver/gold plated MVOs have extra inserted flames. VG Walter

It is a Bavarian military merit cross 3rd class with swords from the time of the 1st World War. The cross is from the manufacturer Deschler Munich and the case from the manufacturer Hemmerle Munich. It could have been swapped at the award ceremony or someone later put the cross in a case. You can no longer tell. Both pieces are original and are worth around 50 euros.

Here is a rare Bavarian ribbon bar from a military-merit-medal-holder from 1866.

As an example here two MVK 1 class with swords from Leser, on the left with a gold medallion and on the right with a gold-plated medallion. Visible at the lower, wider edge of the cross arm. As you can see, an MVK also has this feature, which has no enamelled cross arms and therefore nothing can be damaged. Many greetings Walter

Here we have two pieces by Gebrüders Hemmerle of Munich. On the left we have an early piece with gold medaillon and on the right is a late piece with silver medaillon. The lower arm has a smaller patch of enamel on the backside for protection. Servus Laurentius, That is not right. The widened lower edge is intended to indicate that all golden parts are only gold-plated. The same widened rim can also be found on MVKs 1st class, among others. These pieces were all made from 1917 onwards. Walter

Servus, it was in my collection for a very long time. Then I sold it a few years ago The Luitpold medal is, as already written, a "Spangenexemmplar". The bar came into my collection as it is. It is possible, that the Luitpold medal had fallen off and a clasp was attached. With the ribbons there are always colors that do not match the original colors 100%. Even so, this buckle is fitting in my eyes.

Servus, it was once in my collection for a very long time. Congratulations on this beautiful buckle.

Servus, unfortunately I don't know the name. He probably got a job in the public service after 1866. When allocating these vacancies, bayTM owner were given preference. Many greetings Walter

observed very well. It is a bayTM award for 1866. He was not there in 1870/71. Here are the matching miniatures.

Another one of mine

Marcus, I think it's not a fake but a piece after 1918. The manufacturer should be Leser.

Servus Alex, the case has only a blind embossed line at the top and has no hinge but only a strip of linen. The jobs were shared by Quellhorst and Hausinger. The cases are identical except for the manufacturer's name in the lid. Above you can see a Quellhorst Cross of Merit in a Hausinger case. Here I have added a Quellhorst case. If I can still remember that, around 1200 crosses have been awarded. Best wishes Walter

It's a good one.

Servus, I mean that the cross has been upgraded. The front medallion does not look originally enamelled. Better pictures of the VS medallion would be helpful. I wouldn't want it. There are better pieces. Best wishes Walter

Hello Lucky, As previously written, all golden parts or crosses that were made of gold were only made of gold-plated silver from 1917 onwards. Also the MVO 3rd class. It is important that the flames of the MVO 3rd class are used separately, i.e. not included in the casting. This does not apply to the 4th grade !!! If you are offered a 3rd class MVO, silver gold-plated, always look at the flames to see whether they were also used later. This also applies to the higher classes. I hope that I have now understood your question correctly and that you are satisfied with my answer. Best wishes Walter

Servus Lucky, I do not understand your question completely. The MVO was originally donated in 5 classes in 1866. Namely the Grand Cross, the Grand Commander, the Commander, the Knights 1. These crosses had flames between the arms of the cross. Knight 2nd class as well as military merit cross, these without flames between the arms of the cross. Another class, the Officer's Cross, was created in 1900. This was available with and without flames between the arms of the cross. In terms of ranking, this officer's cross was classified between the Commander's Cross and Knight 1. Until then, all classes up to knight 2 were made in gold, the medallions of the Military Cross of Merit were also made in gold. At the end of 1905 this classification was reorganized. Grand Cross, 1st class, 2nd class with and without a star, 3rd class and 4th class with and without a crown as well as the Military Merit Cross 1st and 2nd class. From 1905 (until the end of 1916) all classes up to 3rd grade were gold, 4th grade silver with gold medallions on the front and back. From the end of 1913, the Military Cross of Merit was donated in 3 classes with and without a crown. The 1st class had real gold medallions on the front until 1916. From 1917 all classes and medallions made in gold were made in gold-plated silver. A little difficult and extensive. I'll try to make this classification clearer soon. With friendly greetings Walter

Hello everyone, I am surprised that these books are so sought after. I have duplicated volumes 1 - 6 and put them up for sale as a package for sale in a German forum. There wasn't a single demand for it. Volume 1 is particularly sought after. As far as I know, the 7th volume is still available in bookshops. I still remember that I was looking for the first volume for a long time and paid double the original price. One can see how diverse the demand for these excellent volumes is. Many greetings Walter

Oh sorry, my english is not good and the google translator may have translated it incorrectly. Ich frage ihn mal. Did the Peuße get a Bavarian award?

I know someone who has access to all awards of the MVO and MVK. He didn't find a Kahle. I also have to go back to the VOBl. 1914 to 1920 checked. No Kahle is mentioned here either.