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Servus Chuck, sh. auch hier: http://h2385226.stratoserver.net/wbb4/index.php?thread/74090-centenarmedaille-1897/&postID=481959#post481959 Viele Grüße Walter

I think there should be a medal. Or maybe a LandwehrDA 1st or 2nd class. All of which is speculative. l.

So the medalbar looks better except for the DA. A DA for NCOs and soldiers should go here. In contrast to the 1st class, this DA cross 2nd class could only be awarded to officers and higher military officials. The 1st class could also be awarded to lower ranks (see attachment)

Servus VtwinVince, i think this wasn't a ribbon bar buckle made by an officer. I think that another DA and a MVK 1. Form belong here. There are of course other options. Does the EK 1870 belong to the ribbon bar?

I can only agree. In a matching early case.

Bay. MVK 1. Klasse 2. Form 1905 - 1913 Bay. MVK 2. Klasse 2. Form 1905 - 1913 Bay. MVK 2. Klasse 2. Form 1905 - 1913 rare variant

Servus Michael, the MVK 2 X is an original from the manufacturer Leser. Easily recognized by the belt buckle, the agraffe and the swords. regards Walter

Servus Eric, is the front medallion made of gold? If it is not made of gold but is only gold-plated, the outer edge of the lower cross arm on the backside must be wider. Since the cross you are showing does not have a wider border, it can only be an original if the medallion is made of gold. The cross you are showing comes from the manufacturer Leser. The enamel seems good. In the appendix an MVK 1st class with swords for comparison. The last picture shows the widened edge of a reader's cross, which has a gold-plated front medallion. Such crosses were made from 1917, as real gold awards were no longer allowed. Best regards Walter

Hello Eric, I'm sorry, this is not an original. Originals were only made by Leser and Hemmerle and they are all very early productions of excellent quality. The front medallions were always made of gold, 3-part at Hemmerle, 1-part at Leser. Your piece is from the manufacturer Weiss and was subsequently upgraded. A total of 146 pieces were awarded, of which 138 were on war merit ribbon and 8 on war ribbon. MVKs 1st class with crown and swords have been imitated for many decades to the detriment of collectors. Loaned originals must always look like the pictures below. First a peace by Hemmerle, next from Leser, finally, a detailed picture of the Leser-cross where you can see the excellent quality of the enamelled gold medallions. Many Greetings from Bavaria Walter

So I thank you when I get information ..... For the price, which is MVK 2 X = 120 euros, EK 2 = 35 euros, Kyffhäuser = 10 euros, DA 9 = 20 euros, DA LW = 30 euros, clasp 50 euros, total 265 euros. The prices apply to Germany and can probably be achieved on ebay. More expensive at dealers.

a good one. An early 2nd class from hemmerle.

O.K.

These stories reflect a simple and old Bavarian lifestyle, which unfortunately cannot be translated. greetings Walter

? Anyone who deals with the Bavarian Military Merit Medal 1870/71, of course, knows the daring story of Franz Dettenhofer from the 3rd Chevaulegers Regiment: It was about 5 o'clock now; the darkness that had already set in, intensified by a thick fog, made it difficult to see beyond 100 steps. Around 5:30 a.m., Chevauleger corporal Franz Dettenhofer from Vötting, Freising District Office, the 4th squadron of the 3rd Chevauleger Regiment, was ordered to investigate whether the last-mentioned battery was still in its previous position or not. He immediately rode with 11 men and went ahead in the swarm. The little group was still less than a quarter of an hour from where they left when the left-most Chevaulegers got fires. The corporal was now pulling his team together and trotting in the direction where the shots had come from. In the vicinity of about 70-80 paces from the enemy, Dettenhofer noticed about 25-30 men of French infantry escorting Bavarian prisoners, including some officers. One of the prisoners called Dettenhofer benevolently: "Chevaulegers, we are caught, ride back, otherwise you will be the same", while at the same time the French soldiers started shooting at the Bavarian riders. "Nothing is caught with us," replied the corporal, said to his people "strike what you can" and fell on the enemy with them from all sides. He killed 8 men, made 14 prisoners and freed the Bavarian 3 officers and 14 men. Favored by the darkness, none of the Chevaulegers was killed or wounded. So the cheeky attack, carried out with real cavalry determination, happily knocked everyone out again. The officers also included a badly wounded man who four Chevaulegers had to carry. First Dettenhofer went to the place where the Bavarians had to leave their weapons and their luggage, then with his liberated and prisoners to the Chevaulegers bivouac in La Banery. The following day, December 8, the division of the 3rd Chevaulegers Regiment was just in reserve when one of its officers took the opportunity to introduce Dettenhofer and his subordinates from yesterday to the men of the Infantry Division Staff, on what occasion he did so Congratulations on the Prussian Iron Cross from several sides in advance. And he also received its 2nd class, because the brave Dettenhofer had already earned the two Bavarian military merit medals, the silver one at Sedan on September 1, where he showed great determination in transporting dispatches on a very threatening relay line the golden one, because he volunteered on September 25 to fill the relay post in Bourcay, which was very endangered by franchireurs, fearlessly claimed this post and on September 26 several important letters from the 4th Prussian Cavalry Division in Pithiviers were under threat Relay routes brought to Arpajon. Here, as on other important ordnance steps, he repeatedly demonstrates unusual courage and prudence. (translated with google)

At least the magazine is now online. Many thanks to Christophe and best regards from Bavaria Walter

Hello Christophe, it is a pdf with 36 double pages and a size of 57 MB. I have already saved and compressed them into 3 parts. Nevertheless, I cannot set them here because the file is under 8 MB in size, but the system still says that they are too large. Walter

Thank you, I have already put the link to it in the SDA. I would have just scanned the booklet but the file is too big to be set here. ?

No, the list does not include matrikelnumbers. The number at the end is the number under which the member of the MMJO is listed in this booklet. See above. The only published matriculation numbers known to me so far are in the Schrettinger. Unfortunately my English is not good and I have to rely on Google. I'll try it again: This booklet was published by the order in 1927 and distributed to the members. This includes all officers awarded the MMJO in alphabetical order with their deeds. Furthermore you can see the ranking within the individual classes. I attach the table of contents as an attachment.

Servus Christophe, No. 108 in the list at Kaufmann is not the matriculation number but the serial number in this book where it is listed. Sh. Picture attached. Kaufmann had the RK with the number 24, that's correct. Many Greetings from Bavaria Walter The Max Joseph Order published this book (booklet) itself in 1927 and distributed it to its members. My copies are from the MMJO and PlM owner v. Haasy, retired major general and from Ritter von Grauvogl, whom I was allowed to collect personally from his grandson alongside a copy of the Schrettingers. Here a cheap photocopy of such a booklet is offered. https://www.buchfreund.de/de/d/p/82643921/der-bayerische-militaer-max-joseph-orden-im

Maybe a few comments on the subject. Ritter von Hopffer had the RK with the matriculation number 20. The references in Kramer do not refer to the matriculation number. Epp had the RK with the number 268 and not 286. The RK with the number 286 was awarded only once in 1814 to a Russian (Schrettinger S. 68, Rapatel, Nr. 10 at the RK). Order decorations of current members (i.e., status 1882) of the MMJO and their previous owners can be found in the Schrettinger on pages 74 - 77. The purpose of the matriculation numbers was for a member of the MMJO to find out who was allowed to wear this medal before him. The order of the awards was important for the "Ordenspension" (Monthly payment). These only existed for a certain number of members. An overview of this ranking can be found in "Der Bayerische Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden im Weltkrieg 1914/1918, Teil III, Anlage 1". To my knowledge, this is the only publication of a ranking. Attached is a scan of this list. Sorry for my bad english.

Here a copy again https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orden-Medaille-Bayern-Luitpold-Prinzregent-von-Bayern-Erinn-an-den-8-DEZ-1889/383568390281?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Sorry, I did not read the title correctly. I deleted the post again

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If the soldier does not find the payment of the money order so important, it is certainly so.?