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just an actual warning to the community out there: There is at least one copied document of this certificate out on the marked. It was scanned from the magazin from 1919 and printed on a high professional color printer. So check it out, if some one wants to sell this one to you. I am sorry, but I can't tell where the original of this certificate is, because I truly don't know it.

well the mark says Friedländer and not Godet, this is point 1, Friedländer was not an offical manufacteurer of the IC1 in 1870 that is point 2 and I personally don't like the needle. I know that there are IC1 out there with a needle pretty similar coming from Wagner & son. So to summarize it, I won't buy it.

Hi Andreas, do you think that this one is an original one?

Hi, I'd like to show this very nice ic2 made by Johann Wagner & Son located in Berlin. The core of this IC2 is typus E regarding to Simon/Wernitz. I know that the core was not made by Johann Wagner, but it was heavily used by them. So I hope you like this pretty little thing!

A rare medal is the following from the Freikorps Lützow. It was fonded 17th of January 1919 and after 15 moonths suspended due to heavy losses against the red ruhr army in april 1920. There were two medals for the members who proved them selves worthy fighters, a cross for officers and a medal for ncos and soldiers. Manufactured by Godet in Berlin, all medals have their own number on the backside.

still looks good to me!

Pretty little thing, I have no doubts on this one!

Hi Andreas, you are right, it reads 1937. Maybe I need new glasses too! Thanks for the correction.

Interesting piece, but the year 1932 really makes no sence at all. The Hindenburg Cross was invented in 1934 and I can't recall anything happened in 1932 that was of significant importance to veterans of WW1.

For Braunschweig I can tell you what was done there. The orders of Henry the Lion were not awarded anymore after duke Ernst August has retired. The war merit crosses 1st and 2nd class had been awarded by the soldiers and workers concil until mids of 1919. These are the numbers: war merit cross 2nd class: 1700 medal of prove to the wmc 2nd (Bewährungsabzeichen): 4000 war merit cross 1st class: 2700 war merict cross for women: 525 At least Jürgens had to deliever 20 extra wmc 2nd to the soldiers and workers council in January 1920, but after this date even these awards were stopped.

Well, if Freiherr von Fritsch was awarded the AO 1st class with swords in 1920, that was not an official award. The constitution of the republic of Weimar states in § 109, that no orders nor medals should be awarded from the German state anymore! So if von Fritsch was impirial to the bone, like nearly all officers at that time were, then he would have never accepted an order given by someone else but the king. I would think that this is the answer why you don't find it on this bar.

just scanned through some award certificates of the Fek, none has a swastika on it in their seals, I must have seen many, but never noticed this before. So today I have learned something new, that a good day then!

Interesting, but I am confused about the seal on that document, the eagle looks like the modern German Eagle and not the one used by the third reich, also no swastika in the seal. Did they still had the old one from the republik of Weimar in Kopenhagen at that time?

As a small appetizer I would love to show you a medal not often to be seen! 90 grams pure gold, the hannovarian medal für art and science in nearly mint condition. better photos ofcourse then shown in my book!

Finally, today my article was published in issue 484 of the Zeitschrift für Heereskunde.

If you read what Sauerwald has written upon Sedlatzek Berlin in his book, he states that it is not proofed yet that he produced for the GOK but Sauerwald rather doubt it. He is more known for selling orders for private purchsing of owners of the legit ones. Zimmermann produced nearly everything after 1918 what the market demands. So I would think that Sedlatzek was more a distributor then producer.

See the answer from Rick Researcher from 2008 above!

I can't judge it from these photos, but would doubt nearly every IC from 1813 at the beginning. They are rare as hell so temptation to fool collectors is pretty high. And to be honest, does one really expect to find a hidden treasure on ebay? I don't! But in Germany we have a saying: Man hat schon Pferde kotzen sehen, so nothing is impossible.

a link would be useful, so here it is: https://www.ebay.de/itm/132779535901?

Well from this angle, it is a little bit difficult to read, but as far as I can decipher it it reads as the following text: Photo 1: To … Schmidt We can’t come over anymore, Got your … information. Will send my soldier today to fetch the nautical year books. Question did you have a table for the tides … till Trontheim, if so please hand it over to the soldier as well. Photo 2: (it deals with clothes for the crew?) … second outfitting from … Sub Marines, for each commander 25 pairs of trousers and greatcoats. I ask for confirmation from each steam boat to S. P. to F.d.U (must be leader of the Submarines) we will send 0530 Submarine sick bay invalids for transport with (small??) stretcher: shall S. N. got an officer to accompany him? sigantur Fleet … To S.P: … no officer needed to accompany, Sick bay invalids will be fetched from there As far, as I can make it, it is some kind of logbook from submariners stranded in NOrway shortly after the war. I hope it helps.

Interesting and helpful post, but why is the difference between chain stiged edge to a weft edge of any importance if both are only shown on modern ribbons? Or do I get something wrong?

Hi Allan, my answers to your questions would be the following: A1: After Napoleon lost his grand army in his russian campaign in 1812, some conquered countries formed a new alliance against the french in 1813. See also the iron cross which was founded in 1813 and the battle at leipzig was fought in 1813 as well. So this is the reason, why this year. So every citizen from the former electory of Hannover and every foreigner, who voluntary grabbed a gun and served unter the flags of Hannover, to fight the french, qualifies for this medal, no matter his rank. I doubt that the members of the kgl got this medal too, they had their own. A2: Yes, all ranks were equal regarding this medal No, as the book will probably have 800 pages, there would be no space for an english text. Maybe a short summary at the end of each chapter, but I doubt it. Only German, sorry to say this.

Hello, I am interested in the question, when the unofficial Landwehr 2nd or military service awards lower classes appeared on German medal bars. They did not comply with the regulations and in my opinion should not have been worn on a large medal bar, neither with the uniform nor on other official occasions. Nevertheless, they can be seen from time to time on medal bars. After the foundation of the medal on July 4, 1913, this form became obsolete and one could wear the new medal now officially on the medal bars right beside other orders and medals I would be interested now, if someone of you knows, when these privately procured service award pieces of the Landwehr 2nd and military service lower classes appeared and whether one tolerated this arbitrariness of the way of wearing simply or do they appeared rather at the periphery and were not carried in the center of imperial royal power so to speak Berlin and thus remained rather under the radar of offiical authorities and therefor, there were no decrees against this way of carrying them. Here are two examples, so you can see what I mean. I look forward to a lively discussion. I personally believe that such inofficial decorations appeared around 1890 and spread as a fashionable phenomenon in the empire, but this is my personal gut feeling and so far not proven by any documents at all. So can anyone just let know his thoughts on this topic? This would be highly appreciated by me. Thanks in advance.

I would doubt that this hall mark is the one that we use to know as B. B. & Co., but like Triadoro stated, better photo would be highly appreciated.

Hello Demir, this sounds good to me!