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Hopefully, this one will arrive soon from Germany. This was my last one for the completed battle of Jutland named ships. S.M.S Luetzow Thanks for looking, JustinG

Here's one I did just awhile ago. Wanted to keep this thread alive. JustinG I had fun doing some editing of items from my collection.

Interesting, I am not familiar with this piece. I will say that it does bear resemblance to the eagle of the Luftwaffe, but I don't think that this would be a de-nazified piece as the wreath and talon/claw are on the same level/height. What is the black material? Cloth or felt? An interesting piece. I hope to hear exactly what this is. Best Regards, JustinG

Count Von Luckner's notable ship. Now there was also a Buzzard Class cruiser that also bore the name Seeadler from the later 19th century. There is no real way to determine if it was issued/made for one ship vs another that had the name Seeadler. I like to think it came from the Sailing ship. Best Regards JustinG

Just picked up this lovely tally. S.M.S. Moewe One of the successful Hilfskreuzer/ Raider for the first World War.

I personally use Sketchbook Pro. I would love to learn to use Adobe® Photoshop, but most of the videos and instructions there seems to be a big learner gap in what is presented and what is currently the layout and functionality of the program. I also use a Wacom® 22" HD Touch tablet. Best Regards, JustinG

I used the same flag but incorporated into this S-boat

Agree with the others. Great job. Best Regards, JustinG

Nice and highly desirable awards. Have you done research to see the recipients of each of the Blood orders? Hopefully, your collection was obtained earlier that the 2000, I would imagine that the price for the Blood orders would be several thousands of dollars now. Quite impressive. Very jealous. Thanks for sharing. Best Regards JustinG

Hi Don, Good question about the color of the bands. Gold Script: Seemännisches (Deck Related personnel) Silver Script: Schiffstechnisches Technical (engineering) Administrative Red Script: Schiffsjungen (Cadets) Metal thread was used. Cotton thread was introduced in early 1917 so Yellow Cotton for gold and white cotton for silver. S.M.S. is Seiner Majestäts Schiff (German for His Majesty ship) K.u.K. (Austrian) Kaiserliche und Königliche There is a quick breakdown of some important tally information.

Here is a grouping of Mützenbänder from the Battle of Jutland. SMS Elbing SMS Frankfurt SMS hamburg SMS Hessen SMS Regensburg SMS Pillau SMS Stuttgart

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Bernd, Deepest thanks and sympathies are extended to you during this difficult time. It is with gratitude that there is such a great resource for Mützenband enthusiasts like myself. I am sorry for the difficulties that you faced during this last project. Thank you ever so much and sympathies to you during your loss. JustinG Es ist mit tiefster Sympathie und vielen Dank für Ihren unglaublichen Beitrag zu diesem Sammelgebiet

Fabulous job there. Best Regards, JustinG

I have been looking into this very thing as well. These have caught my eye. I am considering this as a solution. Might want to check it out. Seems also like a good way for sellers and militaria shows to transport wares to and from events. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Look-Sammelkoffer-Gigant-RED-MIX-Militaria-10-Tableaus-102-Facher-fur-Orden/274305694519?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144 Best Regards, JustinG

Like others, I am surprised how long this topic existed before I checked it out. Very interesting things. I feel like many of the awards issued during WW1 were still awarded with a huge dose of birth elitism. Where a common enlisted person could perform a truly heroic act and receive maybe a citation or a different class award vs a field or administrative officer (nobleman) who didn't do much of anything could be issued a high award. With regards to war crimes and actions deserving of those trials: It is troubling to think of how people justify their actions and how those actions get recognized. There were many honorable people but there are also a trove of people who were despicable. Through the passage of time, history (if properly recorded and available) can vindicate or accuse those actions of the individuals. Submarines are an offensive weapon. Unable to take many if any prisoners. While the destruction of survival gear or killing in cold blood is unconscionable to survivors, I can understand the reluctance for an enemy to potentially expose their boat/crew to further attacks. The Laconia incident was a perfect example of that very thing and brought war crimes investigations. Wonder if the Germans would have won, would the pilots/crew of the B-24's been brought forth on war crimes? Some actions (airborne raids, Covert behind enemy lines operations) are by definition not able to accept prisoners. The very act of having prisoners bogs down and hinders the objectives. How many people were gunned down to press forward to achieve an objective? Philosophical debates. My favorite commanders to research on the German side: Felix Graf von Luckner (S.M.S. Seeadler) and Karl von Müller (S.M.S. EMDEN) Just my two cents. Best Regards, Justin

Here are some new additions. Batch 2. I realize that there are duplicates. But they are duplicates in my collection. That's right, I have duplicates. ?

These tradition badges are flooding the markets. As many of these were made rather crudely, and with resources out there showing designs of these, anyone with a smattering of metal and art can create a piece like this and state the "provenance". They are probably the easiest item for someone to create and pass off as "original". Many in the collecting world know this and will always with skepticism treat these as post war created replicas. You might never get your money back. If you are happy with the item, then that is what is important. Don't invest because you think it will appreciate in value; collect for the love of the item and it's history. I love Unterseeboot collecting, there are other items that you can acquire like Mützenband from the various Uboats. I for one have found this extremely satisfying and really is not too expensive relatively speaking. The construction of the tallies makes it incredibly hard to duplicate, with a little training, you can spot the forgeries from the real deal. Best Regards, JustinG

I did a bit of research and there are two different designs for the RAO. However, I am stuck trying to figure out when the change occurred for the eagle design. Can anyone help me? Best Regards, JustinG

I find it interesting that the first one shown (Started the thread) (JBFloyd) seems to have a Brandenburg eagle appearance. This is not seen on other examples of the RAO. At least in my experience. The stamping J.Godet looks a bit strange in my humble opinion as well. Best Regards and Merry Christmas chaps. JustinG

Well, I have three Prinz Eugen tallies. I picked up a lovely tellermütze recently. It doesn't have the national cockade or the eagle as this was a hat that was used during the war and also post war, from the crew that helped sail the Kriegsmarine Prinz Eugen to become the USS Prinz Eugen. Here is my Tellermütze

Greetings, Here is a photo postcard showing the wappen for the Torpedoboot Grief (Griffin) My guess is exactly what Simi, said, that it would most likely be from the Mine layer Drache. I haven't seen the Gustav Becker markings on any foreign (Non-German) ships. (but that is not saying too much for someone in the field for only a decade or so. Nice piece though. JustinG

I agree, great set of family photos. Thanks for posting/sharing. Best Regards, JustinG