militaria0815 Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Gentlemen: I would apprecciate any information about the attached medal bar which I was able to buy last weekend in a small German antique auction. The medals:1. Hesse-Darmstadt, Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen 1894 - 1918 "F?r Kriegsverdienst", real silver, awarded until 19172. Hesse-Darmstadt, Dienstehrenzeichen f?r h?here Hofchargen f?r 25 Dienstjahre in Gold, awarded 1897 - 19183. Hesse-Darmstadt, Hochzeitserinnerungsmedaille 19054. Saxon Dutchies, Ernestinischer Hausorden, Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse, solid gold5. Hesse-Darmstadt, Ehrenzeichen f?r Kriegsf?rsorge, awarded 1915 - 1918. This medal is not affixed to the medal bar.My questions:-Is there any information, how many awards of # 2 were made and who got these?-Is there a chance to trace the medal bar and find out the person?Thank you!
Paul C Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 The first and last medal are wartime and will not help with the ID. The middle three should make it possible to ID. What is the middle medal for? It is a beautifull bar. Great find.
militaria0815 Posted October 18, 2006 Author Posted October 18, 2006 The first and last medal are wartime and will not help with the ID. The middle three should make it possible to ID. What is the middle medal for? It is a beautifull bar. Great find.The middle medal was given to all guests and officers in charge at the wedding ceremony of the Duke of Hesse-Darmstadt Febr. 18th 1905. I would guess that a maximum of 200 - 300 was awarded.
Jacky Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Wonderfull medal bar,I would assume that this bar was to a man of the court-employer, due to the many court-related medals.Kind regards,Jacky
David M Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) I bet when you contact the Staatsarchiv in Darmstadt, they would be able to trace your man through the Staatshandb?cher. Could you post a close-up of that middle medal, I would love to examine it more closely!! ThanksDavid Edited October 18, 2006 by David M
militaria0815 Posted October 19, 2006 Author Posted October 19, 2006 No chance to identify the owner??
Jacky Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Perhaps not here, however the god of identifiers hadn't show up yet....We will have to wait and pray that he will come... or send him a pm
Daniel Krause Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 I THINK with a Hessen court and state handbook will be a good chance.Ernestinian knight 1st class means at least a Captains / Majors level civilian Beamter.Hessen War time Medal (given to all ranks) plus the Jubillee plus a Hessen long service and NOHessen order makes me think he might have a Hessen Philipp as Officers pinback or Commander.Best regardsDaniel
militaria0815 Posted October 21, 2006 Author Posted October 21, 2006 I THINK with a Hessen court and state handbook will be a good chance.Ernestinian knight 1st class means at least a Captains / Majors level civilian Beamter.Hessen War time Medal (given to all ranks) plus the Jubillee plus a Hessen long service and NOHessen order makes me think he might have a Hessen Philipp as Officers pinback or Commander.Best regardsDanielMakes sense! At the same auction a Phillis order commanders set 2nd class, a Hesse Brabant order commanders set 2nd class and a Hesse key for Kammerherren were offered. And all the items came from one familiy, so all the stuff might have belonged to the owner of my medal bar.
David M Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 Then check the name of the family at www.hadis.hessen.de and mayb you find a Kammerherr with that name
militaria0815 Posted October 21, 2006 Author Posted October 21, 2006 Then check the name of the family at www.hadis.hessen.de and mayb you find a Kammerherr with that nameNo chance to get name from the auctioneer!
David M Posted October 21, 2006 Posted October 21, 2006 I tried myself looking for Kammerherren in Darmstadt at HADIS, but did not find anything which could be related to the bar....so that leaves the Court and State books
militaria0815 Posted October 21, 2006 Author Posted October 21, 2006 I tried myself looking for Kammerherren in Darmstadt at HADIS, but did not find anything which could be related to the bar....so that leaves the Court and State booksMany thanks, I will go to the archive in Darmstadt and hope to find out more there!
militaria0815 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks for all the assistance, I got the name.
Jacky Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 ah... Now I'm interested....Tell me everything you know about this man....If you please of course Kind regards,Jacky
militaria0815 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Posted October 24, 2006 ah... Now I'm interested....Tell me everything you know about this man....If you please of course Kind regards,JackyPM sent.
Ed_Haynes Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 Identifications and information transfer by PM? After having asked publically for an ID? We surely have become very secretive all of a sudden.
Jacky Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 I think it's just all about value etc...Anyway I appreciate it.Kind regards,Jacky
Wild Card Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 Identifications and information transfer by PM? After having asked publically for an ID? We surely have become very secretive all of a sudden. I agree Ed. What?s going on here? I took some time to try, with my limited resources, to find this recipient; but came up empty. I am not well educated in the fine art of researching and identifying group recipients; but I am trying to learn. I would like to have known who the recipient is so that I can go back and see if I missed him (and how or why), or if he just wasn?t there in my material. Value? Believe me, if value is to be an issue (and I fully understand this issue), don?t post it in the first place.Bad Form!
David Gregory Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 Many thanks, I will go to the archive in Darmstadt and hope to find out more there!militaria0815,Which archives are there in Darmstadt?I thought that the medal rolls and records had been destroyed during World War 2. Do you have any archive contact information for military records kept until 1918?Many thanks in advance,David
militaria0815 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Posted October 24, 2006 I think it's just all about value etc...Anyway I appreciate it.Kind regards,JackyNope, has nothing to do with value. But I will do more research and when this is done I will unveil the complete biografie from this man.
Jacky Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 We're all standing in awe Maybe has the new evil twin of Identificators risen from the humble ranks of collectors??? :beer:
militaria0815 Posted October 25, 2006 Author Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Edited October 25, 2006 by militaria0815
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