JimZ Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 No... Robin is on the right trail though. I wish I could tell, but I am sworn to silence... Gonna dig out my Monty Python cd's...... Jim
Ulsterman Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Could it have been . . . Yup-true-read Toland's biography.
Steve K. Posted December 5, 2006 Posted December 5, 2006 Flamethrower unit..... nah too mundane! .....maybe an Imperial Frogman group.....ahh...gotta be an early Skydiving unit (so few volunteers)!
Les Posted December 5, 2006 Posted December 5, 2006 Holy grail of fighting EKs? How many crosses did Hitler give away in his time? One to Geli, one to Eva, one to... Lufti....Vielleicht Blondi??????? Don't forget the fondness a boy/man has for his dog.Les
PKeating Posted December 10, 2006 Posted December 10, 2006 (edited) The officer who recommended the EK1 for AH was Leutnant Hugo Gutmann. Check out this webpage for some interesting information: http://holocaust-info.dk/shm/2_uk.htm. It gives some interesting information although, being somewhat partisan in nature, seeks to downplay Hitler's entitlement to the EK1.Hugo Gutmann was Hitler's immediate superior officer from January 29 to August 31, 1918. His military papers have been preserved, and they tell that he was born on November 19, 1880 in Nuremberg as the son of the shop-keeper Salomon Gutmann and his wife Emma. He himself stated his religion as Jewish. In 1902 he volunteered for the army and was appointed non-commissioned officer, before he in 1904 was transferred to the reserve. At the outbreak of war in 1914 Hugo Gutmann was called up and soon after he was transferred to Regiment List. On April 15, 1915, he was promoted to lieutenant, and after that he acted as adjudant for the regiment's artillery battalion. On the same day as Hitler received his Iron Cross, the regimental commander, Freiherr von Tubeuf, wrote a recommendation on Gutmann which shows his energy as a front officer. Gutmann was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class on December 2, 1914 - incidentally the same day as Hitler - and the Iron Cross 1st class on December 4, 1915. Hugo Gutmann was still unmarried when, at the age of 38, he was demobilized on February 8, 1919. He married the year after and his wife later bore two children. Late in 1933 he asked the Bavarian War Archives for a copy of his military papers - probably in order to take advantage of President Hindenburg's stubborn defence of the civil rights of the Jewish war veterans. Hugo Gutmann at that time owned an office-furniture shop in Vordere Steingasse 3 in Nuremberg. Together with his family he escaped in 1939 to Belgium, and in 1940 he came to the United States, where he changed his name to Henry G. Grant. According to the historian Werner Maser, he received - by Hitler's intervention - a pension from the Third Reich down to the end of the war.PK Edited December 10, 2006 by PKeating
Daniel Murphy Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) Chris, This had better be very good, for I am defending my title as Protector of the Grail. I am not really in competition with you, we just like the same things. Edited December 12, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
PKeating Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 That's one of the most amazing EK documents I have ever seen.PK
JimZ Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) Still waiting Curious picture of Hitler and the Pope......... made me wonder what the current Pope Razzinger would have looked like in German Flak uniform prior to his desertion and capture by allied forces during the war.Now that indeed would be a holy grail indeed! Jim Edited December 12, 2006 by jimzammit
Luftmensch Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Here ya go...with offensive symbols trimmed by the wire service...http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/19/...ain689498.shtml
PKeating Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I was amused by the assertion that Panzerpope was forced to join the HJ. Rubbish! Nobody was forced to join. People were not even pressurised. One volunteered because one wished to be in the Hitlerjugend. Oh well, the Vatican has a safe pair of hands at the helm: contraceptives remain illegal. PK
Luftmensch Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I just learned there still is a Holy Office of the Inquisition!RgdsCol-lapsed Catholic
JimZ Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Here ya go...with offensive symbols trimmed by the wire service...Wow - Thanks Lufthmench!!! That made my day!!! See.....I am so easy to please JimPS - Wonder if the Holy Office of the Inquisition also have a website nowadays....... ! I know this is but hey....gotta keep occupied till Chris reveals his Holy Grail to us
Luftmensch Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Here ya go...http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congrega...4071997_en.htmlhttp://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_...ne_of_the_FaithI almost @#$% myself when I noticed someone reading this thread named VATICAN...then I looked again and he was called VATIAN...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 29, 2006 Author Posted December 29, 2006 OK.... Dans was really, really nice......But here we go..... EK1 to an officer of Sturmbataillon Nr. 5 "Rohr" with a special print for the unit and a real "Rohr" signature.....Anyone want to advance on that :-))))))))))) 1
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 29, 2006 Author Posted December 29, 2006 I think this must be THE elite unit of the war from the german side.... maybe partially because of their fame but also for their time in Verdun.
Chip Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 Chris,I know they often worked together with Rohr, but what about the Garde=Res.=Pionier=Rgt.? Maybe sort of one dimensional, but without question amongst the most elite units. They certainly found favor with the crown prince. But alas, I have seen no Schmuck award documents for them....unless, of course, you have one. Chip
joe campbell Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 lovely!lovely!lovely!glad this one found such a good home!joe
Guest Rick Research Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 Ow! ow! My EYES! I can't take in the amazing multi-chromatic excess!!!! OK, so what else you have on Lt dR Alwin Zirkler? I find nawtheeng.
Chip Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 Chris,Is this a new one for you? I could swear I have seen it or one like it before on another forum. Could it be the same one or are there two?Chip
Naxos Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) My guess: Hauptmann Willy Rohr, Sturmbataillon 5 (Rohr)How close was that for a guess? Whatever happened to Willy Rohr after 1918 - did he serve in the Reichswehr and later in the Wehrmacht? If so, what unit?By the way that is a great EK document Chris Regards, Hardy Edited December 30, 2006 by Naxos
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2006 Author Posted December 30, 2006 Chris,Is this a new one for you? I could swear I have seen it or one like it before on another forum. Could it be the same one or are there two?ChipI think just one... a fast thinking copper pointed me towards the Auction... it was to end 3 weeks before I would be back from holiday... so no chance.i did a dirty and contacted the seller to pull it and sell it to me for a wad of cash.... dirty move, but I would have knifed half the denizens of the average militaria show in a back alley to get this.... so me be OK with my bad conscience ;-)Maybe someone had copied a pic from the auction to another place to ask a question.
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2006 Author Posted December 30, 2006 Ow! ow! My EYES! I can't take in the amazing multi-chromatic excess!!!! OK, so what else you have on Lt dR Alwin Zirkler? I find nawtheeng.Googling him shows him as a post was Dr. writing articles about history and industry in the Saarland. The seller lived in the Saarland as well....
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2006 Author Posted December 30, 2006 ....unless, of course, you have one. Chip more by coincidence than by design.... I only realised it when I had it....
Robin Lumsden Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 ... a fast thinking copper pointed me towards the Auction...Chris.The copper in you avatar is faster thinking!
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