France Can someone identify these French ODM's?

[Herr General]

The second one looks like the Colonial ; Ordre de Nichan-Iftikhar and the third as the Italian Crownorder?

[Jacky]

Hi,

It looks like the third one could be either the order of St Maurice & St Lazarus (not the crown order)

The last one could be the spanish Order of Isabella d'Catholica.

Kind regards,

Jacky

[Great Dane]

My best guesses:

#1: France, Legion d'Honneur

#2: Turkey, Order of Mejidie

#3: Italy, Order of St. Lazarus

#4: Japanese (?)

#5: Spain, Order of Isabella the Catholic

/Mike

[Christophe]

What is interesting in this pic is that the orders and medals are mounted in the spanish style.

Ch.

[Lukasz Gaszewski]

They are probably worn by a Spaniard or Portuguese (note the ribbon frames!), hence my types:

1. probably France: LoH

2. Spain: Orden 'Merito agricola'

3. Spain: Orden Alfonso X el Sabio ? (the central medallion looks too small)

4. ???

5. Spain: Orden Isabel la Catolica

But I'm not sure - the quality is poor.

[Herr General]

Here's te total carte de visite ( scanned add 150 dpi ),

Thank you all for your opinions. Could it be a French Diplomat?

The photo house is Rochat, Rue de L'Hopital Bourbonne Haute Marne

[Great Dane]

Well, I'm not an expert i Spanish orders, but I'm pretty certain they are not suspended by a star and a moon like it's shown on the photo...

Below is the Turkish Order of Mejidie (from Liverpool Medals)

/Mike

Edited January 27, 2007 by Great Dane

[John5813]

My Guess:

1. Legion of Honor

2. Turkish Order of the Medjidie

3. Italian Order of Sts. Maurice and Lazurus

4. British Crimea Medal

5. Spanish Order of Isabella the Catholic

[Jacky]

I'm not sure that it's the legion of honneur, as it seems to have way to much points on the cross....

The legion d'honneur had 8, 2 on east, 2 on north etc etc

But this cross appears to have also points midway of it.

The man appears to wear it in the first place, either he's french, but he doesn't look french, or he's portugese which would be consistent with the ribbon frames which are clasps, then the question would be what kind of portugese ODM would look like this?

But yes, they're indeed mounted in the portugese way, with the clasps.

If the 4th one would be the crimea medal, then should be there a clasp on the medal going in at about 45 decrees over the ribbon.

Great dane, the second medal appears to have a star and moon suspender.

kind regards,

Jacky

Edited January 28, 2007 by Jacky

[Lukasz Gaszewski]

I was wrong Please disregard my previous post - the frames made me think they were Spanish awards.

Thanks for posting the full photo. Isn't his a French naval uniform of mid-19th century? I agree with John5813 about the medals. I think too it was from the Crimean war, which would justify this set of awards. And yes - the crescent IS seen on medal #2.

[Great Dane]

Jacky,

Remember the Legion d'Honneur has 5 cross arms, not 4. In my opinion it is clearly a LdH...

I agree that medal #4 is the medal for the Crimean War. It also fits the timeframe for someone who participated in that war in the 1850s and then later received some orders (the Legion d'Honneur is the post-1870 model).

/Mike

[Christophe]

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Edited January 28, 2007 by Christophe

[Herr General]

Thank you all for your reactions. Turns out to be an interesting photo!

[Michael Johnson]

If the 4th one would be the crimea medal, then should be there a clasp on the medal going in at about 45 decrees over the ribbon.

No, lots of medals were issued without clasps, especially to the Navy - the British clasps were Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, and Sebastopol. There was an unoffical Fench clasp "Mer d'Azoff".

[Hendrik]

There was an unoffical Fench clasp "Mer d'Azoff".

Indeed, quite right and the French being specialists in creating unofficial bars apparently made a few more :

MER D?AZOFF or MER D?AZOF or merely AZOFF, as mentioned,

TRAKTIR also found as TRACKTIR

TCHERNAIA

MALAKOF

MAMELON VERT

KYNBURN also found as KINNBURN

and EUPATORIA ... there may be more.

I regret not having any of these so no pictures I'm afraid. I wouldn't mind someone starting an illustrated thread

Cheers,

Hendrik

[Herr General]

Thanks all for the reactions. You keep surprising me with your knowledge!

[922F]

These look like:

first item more likely Belgian Crown--Agree with Jacky ...note spiked, rather than rounded wreathlike, appearance of inter cross arm elements

Medjidjie

Papal Latern Cross-note rounded center and cross arm terminations

Crimea or Baltic

Isabella Catholic

I'm no expert but the uniform appears more Belgian than French. Maybe Portugese or Spanish with pasador bar suspensions???