Chris Liontas Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hello all, I picked this up from German ebay on a hunch (bad photo). It looks like an order of St Michael on this guys chest. I have seen these for sale in Thies' auction as well as Kube's. Can anyone tell me what they were awarded for? Unfortunately there is no name on the photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Close up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Close upDoes the back of the photo give a year? Because I am guessing this to be one of the bishops of M?nchen and FreisingDavid M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Hi Chris Liontas,Yes, the decoration on the right (as viewed) is either a third class or fourth class, with crown, St. Michael; and the other is knight?s cross to the Merit Order of the Bavarian Crown.I hope that this information is helpful,Wild Card Edited February 19, 2007 by Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) David M said: Does the back of the photo give a year? Because I am guessing this to be one of the bishops of München and Freising The front does! It reads "1901" in the left down corner ... Edited May 21, 2023 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) This is most certainly not the "acting" archbishop of München and Freising. He would have had higher decorations, such as a Bavarian Crown Order commander. Probably this is some ecclesiastical official. Edited March 5, 2023 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) I hope this is correct and does not add to the confusion. Werlich indicates that the order of St. George was a near equivalent to the order of St. Hubert. "For outstanding services to the state by Roman Catholics (of noble birth). To me this picture implies one of two things - the subject is not a big wig or not noble. I do not know if Werlick is considered a reliable source on matters Imperial and I do not know if the "noble birth" clause was ever mitigated by high office such as the See of Munich. St. Michael was significantly lower in the pecking order than either of the two orders I've mentioned and the Bavarian Crown as well I think. Edited February 20, 2007 by W McSwiggan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Well the problem might be that catholic officials were sometimes considered de juro nobilities.The pope is to be considered an EmperorCardinals are considered de juro Princes of the holy roman SeeBishops are considered de juro Counts of the holy roman See, as are the male familymembers of the pope (Uncles and cousins, as he, the pope himself has to abstain from sexual activities.)But this man surely isn't really a high clergyman.Thus clergyman can be considered of de juro nobility.Kind regards,Jacky Edited February 19, 2007 by Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I suspect he is a Monsignor. The buttons, sash, and cape indicate his "rank," but whether red or purple can't be told from a B&W photo, and his hat's danglies (if there were any) are underneath. Afraid my personal knowledge of Catholic clerical attire does not go back quite THAT far. The Bavarian Civil Merit Order-Knight is quite a big deal, since it would have made him a CIVIL "Ritter von" if he was not already a member of the hereditary nobility. But that grade of the general civil merit St Michael suggests to me too that he was not a Bishop.I'd look to the city where the photographer was. He appears to be a "homebody" rather than a member of the Vatican administrative/diplomatic corps because he has no other awards. BTW, he looks EXACTLY like the late American actor Charles Durning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi all! thank you for the information. I was guessing he was a higher level in the Catholic church due to his dressing as Rick pointed out. How did one qualify for the Orders he was given? Were they purely time driven for position or where they for specific merit? Are they common? Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I hope that one of our Bavarian friends can identify this cleric for you. I don't have numbers for the Bavarian Order of the Crown, but since it gave personal nobility to commoners, it was a very big thing indeed. There are some very nice color photos of SEVERAL Andreas posted a while back--http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14844 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I hope that one of our Bavarian friends can identify this cleric for you. I don't have numbers for the Bavarian Order of the Crown, but since it gave personal nobility to commoners, it was a very big thing indeed. There are some very nice color photos of SEVERAL Andreas posted a while back--http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14844Go here for nicer photos and information: http://www.medalnet.net/Bayerische_Krone.htmSome other pics and info here: http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/bavaria3.htmJacob and Oscar Leser's Die Ritter- und Verdienstorden, Ehren- und Verdienst-Zeichen, Denk- und Dienstalters-Zeichen in Bayern, published in 1910, gives a total for 1909 of 126 Commanders (Komtur) and Grand Commanders (Gro?komtur), of which 49 were non-Bavarians, and 380 Knights (Ordensritter), of which 51 were non-Bavarian. This is secondhand - I don't have the Lesers' book, but Michael Autengruber cited these numbers in the item descriptions for the two badges auctioned by UBS a few weeks ago. Thus I don't have any numbers for the Grand Cross or breakdown between Commanders and Grand Commanders, nor any idea how many members of the order from earlier periods weren't around in 1909, or how many were subsequently awarded.In the 1914 Milit?r-Handbuch des K?nigreichs Bayern, 133 members of the order are listed, broken down as follows:Grand Cross (Gro?kreuz) - 11Grand Commander's Cross (Gro?komturkreuz) - 10Commander's Cross (Komturkreuz) - 22Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz) - 90These are a mix. About a third of them are active senior officers and officials of the army, including officers ? la suite and the king's adjutants; a third or so are retired but recallable officers, and third are officers and officials removed from the Beurlaubtenstand. Many of those, in the latter group especially, were people whose primary accomplishments were in the civilian sphere, and who are listed only because they had held reserve or Landwehr commissions, such as Gustav Ritter von Kahr, a Staatsrat and after WW1 Ministerpr?sident of Bavaria. I can post the whole list, if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Well,if you please to do so.. Always interesting to see lists!!!Need I say more, well then; come on come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Well,if you please to do so.. Always interesting to see lists!!!Need I say more, well then; come on come on...Ok... Grand Cross (Gro?kreuz):Gen.d.Art. z.D. Peter Freiherr von Wiedenmann - General-Adjutant des K?nigs, Pr?sident des Geheimen Rates des PrinzregentenGen.d.Inf. z.D. Luitpold Freiherr von und zu der Tann-Rathsamhausen - ? la suite to the 2nd and 11th Bavarian Infantry Regiments; recalled during the war as deputy commanding general, I. (bay.) Armee-KorpsGen.d.Kav. Otto Freiherr Kress von Kressenstein - Bavarian War MinisterGen.Oberst Karl Graf von Horn - General-Adjutant des K?nigs; Bavarian War Minister, 1905-12Genlt. Karl Graf Wolffsteel von Reichenberg - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Oberststallmeister a.D. (i.e., former Chief Royal Equerry)Genlt. Albrecht Graf von Seinsheim - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Obersthofmeister (Chief Royal Steward)Oberst Karl Graf von Giech - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Reichsrat; died May 1914Oberst Bertram F?rst von Quadt zu Wykradt und Isny - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratOberstlt. Hans Graf zu Toerring-Jettenbach - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratOberstlt. Friedrich F?rst zu Castell-Castell - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratOberstlt. Johannes F?rst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein und Jagstberg - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratGrand Commander (Gro?komtur):Gen.d.Inf. Oskar Ritter von Xylander - commanding general, I. (bay.) Armee-KorpsGen.d.Kav. Ludwig Freiherr von Gebsattel - commanding general, III. (bay.) Armee-KorpsGeneralarzt Dr. Ottmar Ritter von Angerer - Offizier ? la suite des Sanit?ts-KorpsOberst Heinrich Freiherr Tucher von Simmelsdorf - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Staatsrat; Diplomatchar. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Friedrich Ritter von Windischchar. Gen.d.Art. z.D. Friedrich Ritter von Lobenhoffer - recalled during the war as stellv. Feldzeugmeister; d. 1918Genlt. z.D. Ludwig Ritter von Reinhardchar. Genlt. z.D. Ludwig Ritter von Winneberger - President of the Bayerischer Soldatenbund, 1904-1919Hptm. a.D. Ferdinand Freiherr von Miller - Director of the Akademie der Bildenden K?nste (Academy of Fine Arts) in Munich (1900-18)Major d.L. Heinrich Ritter von Thelemann - Staatsminister der Justiz, 1912-18Commander (Komtur):Gen.d.Inf. Karl Ritter von Martini - commanding general, II. (bay.) Armee-KorpsGeneralstabarzt Dr. Karl Ritter von Sendel - Abteilungs-Chef, Medizinal-Abteilung Genlt. Wilhelm Walther von Walderst?tten - Vortragender General-Adjutant des K?nigsGenlt. Otto Ritter von Breitkopf - commander, 3. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Maximilian Ritter von H?hn - commander, 6. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Otto von Stetten - Inspekteur der KavallerieOberst Ludwig Freiherr von W?rtzburg - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratOberstlt. Wilhelm Freiherr von Leonrod - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Oberststallmeister (Chief Royal Equerry)Oberstlt. Ernst Graf von Moy - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Reichsratchar. Gen.d.Art. z.D. Maximilian Ritter von Gerstnerchar. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Karl Ritter von Clauschar. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Oskar Ritter von Rittmannchar. Gen.d.Kav. z.D. Maximilian Freiherr von Speidel - recalled to command 6. bay. Reserve-Divisionchar. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Karl Ritter von Fasbenderchar. Genlt. z.D. Gustav Scanzoni von Lichtenfels - took command of 6. bay. Reserve-Division at the end of 1914Oberstlt. a.D. Maximilian Freiherr von HofenfelsMajor a.D. August von Parseval - airship designerMajor d.R. Rudolf Freiherr von und zu der Tann-Rathsamhausen - Staatsrat; diplomatHptm. d.L. Sigmund Ritter und Edler von L??l - Staatsratchar. Hptm. d.L. Otto Freiherr von Ritter zu Gr?nstein - diplomat; Bavarian envoy to the Vaticanchar. Oberlt. d.L. Anton Freiherr von Hirschberg - StaatsratLt. d.L. Karl Ritter von H?chstetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Knight (Ritter):Dr. Gottlob Ritter von Weigel - Senats-Pr?sident des Bayerischer Senat beim Reichsmilit?rgerichtGen.d.Inf. Karl Ritter von Brug ? chief of the Ingenieur-KorpsGen.d.Inf. z.D. Hermann Ritter von Haag - General-Adjutant des K?nigsGeneralarzt Dr. Alfred Ritter von Halm ? Offizier ? la suite des Sanit?ts-KorpsGenlt. Albert Ritter von Schoch - commander, 1. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Ludwig Ritter von Hetzel - commander, 2. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Maximilian Graf von Monteglas - commander, 4. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Gustav Ritter von Schoch - commander, 5. (bay.) DivisionGenlt. Robert Ritter von Fischer - commandant, Festung GermersheimGenlt. Ludwig Ritter von Seither ? FeldzeugmeisterGenmaj. Paul Ritter von Kneu?l - Abteilungs-Chef, Abteilung f?r Pers?nliche Angelegenheiten, Bavarian War MinistryGenmaj. Karl Ritter von Wenninger - Milit?r-Bevollm?chtigter in Berlin und stellv. Bevollm?chtigter zum Bundesrat des Deutschen ReichesGenmaj. Bernhard von Hartz ? on the Gro?er Generalstab in BerlinGenmaj. Konrad Krafft von Dellmensingen ? Chef des Generalstabs der ArmeeGenmaj. Hans Freiherr von La?berg ? Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Oberstk?mmererGenmaj. Nikolaus Ritter von Endres - commander, 2. Infanterie-BrigadeGenmaj. Hermann Freiherr von Stein - commander, 1. Feldartillerie-BrigadeGenmaj. Otto Ritter von Gy?ling - commander, 6. Feldartillerie-BrigadeOberst Hartmann Freiherr von Ow auf Wachendorf - Hofmarschall (Lord Chamberlain) and personal adjutant of Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand von BayernOberst Emanuel Freiherr von Perfall - Hofmarschall (Lord Chamberlain) and personal adjutant of Prinz Leopold von BayernOberst August Freiherr von M?ller ? Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Pagenhofmeister a.D.Oberst Maximilian Graf von Moy - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; Kgl. Oberst-Zeremonienmeister Rittm. Joseph Graf von Monteglas - Offizier ? la suite der Armee; ReichsratWirkl.Geh. Oberbaurat Ludwig Ritter von Mellinger ? chairman, V.Sektion (Bauwesen), Milit?r-Verwaltungs-Abteilung, Bavarian War MinistryWirkl.Geh. Oberkriegsrat Maximilian Ritter von Hellmuth - chairman, II.Sektion (Naturalverpflegungs-Angelegenheiten, Remontedepot-Verwaltung, Milit?r-Fonds), Milit?r-Verwaltungs-Abteilung, Bavarian War MinistryWirkl.Geh. Oberkriegsrat Anton Ritter von Nischler - Abteilungs-Chef, Abteilung f?r Rechtsangelegenheiten, Bavarian War MinistryRittm. Lothar Freiherr von Ritter zu Gr?nsteinMajor Bertold Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg ? Reichsrat; commanded 1. schweres Reiter-Regiment in 1917char. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Wilhelm von Staudt ? Chef des Generalstabs der Armee, 1888-93, d. 1917 char. Gen.d.Kav. z.D. Karl Freiherr von Freyberg char. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Ernst Freiherr von Barth zu Harmating char. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Friedrich Ritter von Pflaum char. Gen.d.Art. z.D. Eugen von Malais? char. Gen.d.Art. z.D. Theodor von Bomhard char. Gen.d.Kav. z.D. Otto Ritter von Schmidt char. Gen.d.Kav. z.D. Rudolf Ritter von Frommelchar. Gen.d.Inf. z.D. Eugen Ritter von Benzino Genlt. z.D. Eugen Ritter von Keller Genlt. z.D. Karl Ritter von Landmann Genlt. z.D. Karl Ritter von K?ppel Genlt. z.D. Martin Ritter von Denkchar. Genlt. z.D. Ludwig Ritter von M?ller char. Genlt. z.D. Julius Graf von Zech auf Neuhofen - Governor of Togo 1905-10char. Genlt. z.D. Richard von H??lin Genmaj. z.D. Johann Ritter von B?ck Genmaj. z.D. Karl Ritter von Schumacher Genmaj. z.D. Friedrich Ritter von Wolff Genmaj. z.D. Eduard Ritter von Graf Genmaj. z.D. Maximilian Ritter von Reschreiter Genmaj. z.D. Anton Ritter von Bucher char. Genmaj. z.D. Ferdinand Ritter von Kurz char. Genmaj. z.D. Richard Ritter von Hoffmann char. Genmaj. z.D. Karl Ritter von Horadam char. Genmaj. z.D. Heinrich Ritter von Henigst char. Genmaj. z.D. Franz Ritter von Beckenbauer Oberst a.D. Johann Freiherr von Hertling Oberstlt. a.D. Ralf Freiherr von Kreu?er Major a.D. Rudolf Freiherr von Guttenberg Major d.L. Anton Freiherr von Aretin Major d.R. Hans Freiherr von Th?ngen ? Reichsrat; co-founder of the Deutsche LandwirtschaftsgesellschaftMajor d.L. Friedrich Ritter von Brettreich ? Staatsrat; Regierungspr?sident of Lower Franconia 1905-07; Staatsminister des Innern 1907-12Major d.R. Friedrich von Sigriz Major d.L. Hermann Ritter von Pfaff - Staatsrat; Staatsminister der Finanzen 1904-12Hptm. d.L. Karl Ritter von Braun Hptm. d.L. Karl Ritter von Welcker Rittm. d.L. Hugo Ritter von Forster Hptm. d.R. Maximilian Ritter von Hellmuth Hptm. d.L. Alfons Ritter von Bruckmann Hptm. d.L. Walter Ritter von Dyck Hptm. d.L. Gustav Ritter von Kahr - StaatsratHptm. d.L. Julius Ritter von Henle Hptm. d.L. Julius Freiherr von der Heydte Hptm. d.R. Wilhelm Ritter von Meinel Hptm. d.L. Otto Ritter von Str??enreuther ? Staatsrat; Regierungspr?sident of Lower Franconia 1916-33char. Hptm. d.L. Daniel Ritter von Conrad char. Hptm. d.L. Heinrich Ritter von Lenz - Wirkl.Geh. Kriegsratchar. Rittm. d.L. Georg Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg - diplomatOberlt. d.L. Heinrich Ritter von Endres - StaatsratOberlt. d.L. Ferdinand Ritter von Keller Oberlt. d.L. Wilhelm Ritter von Camerer Lt. d.R. Adolf Ritter von ZieglerLt. d.L. Karl Ritter von Rasp Rudolf Ritter von Richter - Senats-Pr?sident des Bayerischer Senat beim Reichsmilit?rgericht Friedrich Ritter von Habel - Senats-Pr?sident des Bayerischer Senat beim Reichsmilit?rgerichtWirkl.Geh. Oberkriegsrat Franz Ritter von SchultzeWirkl.Geh. Oberkriegsrat Ferdinand Ritter von Hei?Wirkl.Geh. Kriegsrat Joseph Ritter von Schropp Wirkl.Geh. Kriegsrat Ludwig Ritter von Braun Intendantur-Rat Maximilian Ritter von Schmid Intendantur-Rat Georg Ritter von Micheler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 A few of these received the Milit?r-Max-Joseph-Orden in World War I:Grand CrossKonrad Krafft von DellmensingenKarl Ritter von FasbenderCommanderNikolaus Ritter von EndresLudwig Freiherr von GebsattelPaul Ritter von Kneu?lHermann Freiherr von SteinOtto von StettenKnightMaximilian Ritter von H?hnAlbert Ritter von SchochKarl Ritter von WenningerOskar Ritter von Xylander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Thanks, very good to have this list here! For some reason, the Militär-Handbuch Bayern stopped listing the Non-Bavarians in 1911. So the last Non-Bavarians wearers listed are those who got the order in 1909. Chris Edited November 13, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 A few non-Bavarian recipients of the Merit Order of the Bavarian Crown:Grand Cross:Gen.d.Inf. Moritz Freiherr von Lyncker - Vortragender Generaladjutant Seiner Majest?t des Kaisers und K?nigsGen.Oberst (m.d.R. als GFM) Hans von Plessen - Diensttuender Generaladjutant Seiner Majest?t des Kaisers und K?nigs und Kdt. des HauptquartiersGen.Oberst Helmuth von Moltke - Chef.d.Gen.St. der Armeechar. Gen.d.Inf. August Ludwig Traugott Botho Graf zu Eulenburg - ? la suite der Armeechar. Genlt. Ernst Otto Karl Ludwig Freiherr von Mirbach - ? la suite der Armeechar. Genlt. Theobald Theodor Friedrich von Bethmann Hollweg - ? la suite der Armee; Reichskanzler 1909-17char. Genmaj. Bernhard Heinrich Martin Karl F?rst von B?low - ? la suite der Armee; Reichskanzler 1900-09char. Genmaj. Christian Kraft F?rst zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen, Herzog von Ujest - ? la suite der Armeechar. Maj. Philipp Ernst F?rst zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsf?rst - ? la suite der Armeechar. Maj. Ernst F?rst von L?wenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg - ? la suite der ArmeeGen.d.Kav. Karl von Einem - Kriegsminister 1903-09; Kom.Gen., VII.A.K. 1909-1914; 2.Armee 1914-18; HGr Kronprinz, 1918Gen.d.Inf. Leopold Ritter Hentschel von Gilgenheimb - ? la suite IR 13GFM Gottlieb Ferdinand Albert Graf von Haeseler - Chef, Ulanen Regiment Graf Haeseler (2. Brandenburgisches) Nr. 11K.W. Gen.d.Inf. Hermann Freiherr von Bilfinger - Generaladjutant Seiner Majest?t des K?nigs von W?rttembergK.W. Gen.d.Inf. Otto von Marchtaler - Kriegsminister des K?nigreichs W?rttembergK.W. Gen.d.Inf. Max Freiherr Schott von Schottenstein - ? la suite GR 119; Ministerpr?sident des Kgr. W?rttemberg 1900-01; d.1917K.S. Gen.Oberst Max Clemens Lothar Freiherr von Hausen - Vorsitzende des Gesamtministeriums des K?nigreichs Sachsen 1912-14; Kriegsminister des K?nigreichs Sachsen 1902-14; Kom.Gen., XII.A.K.; Kom.Gen., 3.Armee 1914Grand Commander:char. Gen.d.Inf. Heinrich Freiherr von und zu Egloffstein - ? la suite der Armeechar. Gen.d.Inf. Max Freiherr von Lyncker - ? la suite der ArmeeGen.Oberst Friedrich von Scholl - Kdr., LeibgendarmerieMaj.d.L. ____ Graf von P?ckler - Garde-Landwehr-KavallerieCommander:Hptm. d.L. ____ Graf von Bernstorff - Garde-Landwehr des 1. Garde-FARMaj.d.L. ____ Graf von Hutten-Czapski - Landwehrbezirk V Berlinchar. K.W. Genlt. ____ Freiherr von Reischach - General ? la suite Seiner Majest?t des K?nigs von W?rttembergKnight:Oberst z.D. ____ Blassmann - Kdr., Landwehrbezirk II Leipzig"K.W." is "K?niglich W?rttembergischer"; "K.S." is "K?niglich S?chsischer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) According to the Hof- und Staatshandbuch Bayern 1902, this can only be Dr. Balthasar Ritter von Daller (1835-1911) He was the director of the Lyzeum (Lycealrektor) in Freising, which can be compared to a college. Daller was also papal domestic prelate, "erzbischöflicher geistlicher Rat" and a Bavarian politician. He got the St. Michael 4th cl in 1899 and the Bavarian Crown Order (which made him Ritter von) in 1901, so the pic was probably taken on that occasion. Daller got his Dr. in theology from the University of Munich (LMU) in 1861. Edited March 6, 2023 by webr55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 What grade was Otto Graf zu Castell-Castell awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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