Mongolia Order of Mother Heroine

[Ed_Haynes]

# 191640 of 22 May 1997.

An interesting pair, suggesting a timeframe for the changeover from screwback to pinback and the timing of the new design of award booklets.

[Bob]

I suspect some new life may have been put into this order by the Mongolian government...

shiny metal, typical "new award type" enamel... and nr 211334!

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks, Bob. That exceeds, by a thousand, the previously recorded high. I did get the sense, when I was in UB, from what I saw but could not understand on TV, that the mommy order was still being awarded, as new recipients were being interviewed on the TV news.

Make the range for the Second Class Order of Mother Heroine an observed low of 179876 and a high of 211334. There is some overlap with Type 2.1, with a range of 170577/197624 (suggesting the enamel color means nothing with the pinback 2nd class).

[Ed_Haynes]

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of Mother Heroine, 1st Class (A33.1, A34.1, A35.1, A36.1):

5,396 16/02/1965

8,128 01/03/1967

11,608 13/02/1970

16,062 21/02/1972

21,460 25/01/1975

24,179 20/02/1976

31,252 22/02/1978

33,062 17/02/1979

34,361 23/02/1980

43,883 00/03/1984

45,130 25/02/1981

Edited January 7, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of Mother Heroine, 2nd Class (A33.2, A34.2, A35.2, A36.2):

543 29/05/1958

9,195 25/06/1958

13,892 10/10/1958

15,709 10/11/1958

23,451 25/02/1960

25,633 02/03/1961

29,451 25/02/1962

36,905 11/02/1964

39,895 04/03/1964

61,823 08/02/1969

77,748 17/02/1972

77,962 17/02/1972

84,187 22/02/1973

116,403 00/00/1978

120,901 27/02/1980

130,167 24/02/1981

145,118 18/08/1985

145,718 1985

187,862 22/05/1995

191,632 00/5/1997

191,640 22/05/1997

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One person who have two orders

[Ed_Haynes]

Interesting pair, fairly early, and with the original (?) photo intact. Do you have the matching badges or just the documents?

[usairforce]

Hi Ed

I only have documents, the photo is rare

[new world]

Hi Ed

I only have documents, the photo is rare

Very rare docs.

The market if flooded with motherhood badges, but docs come out just in rare while.

I wonder why?

William

[Megan]

Instituted: 1957.

Awarded: To mothers for bearing and raising large families - 1st Class for 8 or more children, 2nd class for 5 to 8 children).

[christerd]

Hallo, I want to show my Mother Heroine Order Books

I only have two complete with the matching order but I have some books only, and maybe it would be interesting to

se the numbers and award dates.

First : 2nd class 3038 awarded 1961, photo missing

Second : 2nd class 4121 awarded 1958 , photo missing

Christer

[christerd]

And some more , loose booklets

1: 2nd class 23451 awarded 1960 (must been busy years 1958-1960) no photo

2: 2nd class 86415 awarded 1973 , With Photo !!

[christerd]

And one more

2nd class 37554 awarded 1964 and here I have the matching order !

[christerd]

And two more Books

1: 44113 2nd class awarded 1965, photo missing (of course)

2: 21460 1st class awarded 1975 , and photo missing

I will come back with more books later, among them two books to the same mother 1st and 2nd class.

Christer

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks for these. The only way we stand ANY chance of getting solid serial number sequences linked to dates is with such documents. And you even have some with photos! Hard to find these booklets, in particular, with photos intact, as most families strip off what may be the only photo they have of Mom before selling them.

[christerd]

Hi Ed, Yes I suppose it was not common to take pictures in the 50?s or 60?s in Mongolia.

So I understand they want to keep their photos. But of course the collector in me gets happy everytime one turns up!

Here is three more Documents

1: 84187 2nd class awarded 1973, who do you think signed theese order books?

2: 132425 2nd class issued 1981 and 45507 1st class in 1985 to the same woman, if only I had the orders

Well, something to look for in years to come...

Christer

[Bob]

No pics of reciptients nor award but interesting datapoints

[Ed_Haynes]

Yowie! That is a really early 2nd class!!!

[Bob]

Yowie! That is a really early 2nd class!!!

And the merry couple didn't wait too long for their 1st class either

[Ed_Haynes]

The latest word is that this order is soon to be recalibrated:

1st class - from 8 to 5 children

2nd class - from 5 to 3 children

Edited July 1, 2008 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

Just an update.

First class:

Type 1.1 (screwback, USSR-made) - Low = 19; High = 9184

Type 1.2 (screwback, Mongolian-made) - Low = 10887; High = 55198

Type 2.1 (pinback, light blue enamel) - Low = 56579; High = 60058

Type 2.2 (pinback, dark blue enamel) - Low = 57225; High = 60054

Second class:

Type 1.1 (screwback, USSR-made) - Low = 200; High = 49326

Type 1.2 (screwback, Mongolian-made) - Low = 52404; High = 169768

Type 2.1 (pinback, light blue enamel) - Low = 170577; High = 197624

Type 2.2 (pinback, dark blue enamel) - Low = 179876; High = 211334

[fjcp]

What do you guys think of this one????

$500 a little much?????

I think it's a nice looking one, the best looking enamel I've seen on these but I think Barry put some numbers on his wall and used some darts to determine the price...

Cheers.

JC

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