ccj Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 http://www.militaria-berlin.de/cgi-local/m..._5152&ln=enWhat are the opinions of the experts here? I like it but need opinions on the eagles and spange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Hi, This ribbon bar is a nice Godet ribbon bar. I'm not a Third Reich specialist (about the eagles and the spange). Seems to be ok but we need the opinion of Rick. The X on the Bavarian ribbon seems to be in bronze, exact or not. It should be in silver.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 I think every one of the devices look like cast copies and the bar is new... the stitching doesn't look like Godet sewing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ccj Posted June 30, 2007 Author Share Posted June 30, 2007 moreThanks, I liked the bar but am suspicious of the devices, especially the eagles. I didn't think these look cast but I'll study them closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Looks OK to me. Those are Schickle-made eagles (see Ribbon Bar Article Devices Closeups Gallery in "Eagle" section) and I've got a Godet made bar with silver ones that I've posted recently in another thread:Looks minty fresh but I don't think new just waaaaaaaay up close and shiny from the dazzlingly clear camera work. The only real oddity I see is the color of the swords on the Bavarian MMO ribbon, which should be silver.That's a classic Godet metal backing. The precedence is pre-1938, and with the nice sturdy Godet catch makes me think this was a circa 1936 bar that the wearer added his EK2 Spange 2 CAREFULLY, by having the backing removed and replaced rather than just jammed through the gray material.Loose stitching seems characteristic of these late Godet bars: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 30, 2007 Author Share Posted June 30, 2007 I was hoping to get this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 I was hoping to get this one...Well,So far we have 2 for original and 1 for repro. Does anyone else want to offer an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 (edited) Hello CCJ:I hate to cause more confusion, but I vote that this is probably a counterfeit piece. My advice (not that you asked) would be to stay away from it and move on to another piece.Best of luck!"SPM" Edited July 1, 2007 by Schie?platzmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 How about I vote Original Godet-made But Exceptionally Minty Fresh And Shockingly Well Photographed Up Close ... again? remember how TINY these devices are. Up close enough, anything that small looks icky. But I doubt the combination will prove TRACEABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 Well,I'm going to get it and look at it in person. Then, I'll post more images and if at that point it's deemed bad I'll send it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 It's a good one in my eyes, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I like it, too. I don't think that the fakers are already so ahead and are faking Godet ribbon or medal bars, because you have to find the right parts in order to do it. Sometimes these parts are available on the market. Hopefully it didn't happen, yet!Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 18, 2007 Author Share Posted July 18, 2007 The ribbon bar arrived today and it's a beauty...The Bavarian MMO swords are silver. It's hard to see in the picture but when you hold it they look silver and you can see some of the shiny silver finish in the cracks and side of the device. I'll take some images this week. The Spange is very detailed and small. It's purdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 18, 2007 Author Share Posted July 18, 2007 Rick L, you were correct. The camera work was part of the problem. The ribbons look correct and show some age and the devices look nicely detailed. The bar is slightly bent but does not detract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Bent? You mean curved to fit snugly on the wearer's chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 21, 2007 Author Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Here's the bar. I like it.YOu can see the silver wash on the side of the swords on the Bavairian MMO Edited July 21, 2007 by ccj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 21, 2007 Author Share Posted July 21, 2007 Bent? You mean curved to fit snugly on the wearer's chest?Not really, just sent and no longer straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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