Ulsterman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 yeah rick-the ribbon is certainly the same-so LS, I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) This is _not_ a frack bar. It seems to be an elderly NCO from Baden who thinks his Erinnerungsmedaillen 1902 and 1897 are better than his two long service decorations. Are these two long service awards? I cannot recognize the 3rd award but think he wears Baden's long service decorations IInd and IIIrd class. If it was a "proper" frack bar in strange mounting the two Erinnerungsmedaillen should be the other way around - for an NCO! Promoted to officer they would change, but he's (still) a Baden NCO, on _his_ bar the 1902 outranks the 1897 medal. Take a close look at bars with both: Baden officers wear the Prussian medal first as they were "royal Prussian officers" and the Baden medal was an "foreign award" - stupid Milit?rkonvention 1871!It WOULD be in correct order... if worn as a civilian Frackspange! No, it would NOT, as I wrote above. Your posting wasn't done when I wrot mine, sorry ... Edited February 4, 2008 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) Why isn't it a frack bar in your opinion:the trapazoidal construction or precedence order of the medals?To me, frack means the order in which they are mounted.This man is a feldwebel-collar tresses, big button on collar, enlisted straps, sword knot etc. Edited November 6, 2008 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Nono, it may be a "frack bar" in common mounting, those are unusual but exist. I'm talking about precedence. This is not the right precedence for a Baden NCO, the 1902 and 1897 medals should be the other way round. Here it's just the wrong place for the long service medals. Maybe he remembered where they used to be before 1913 - he had back then a DA-Schnalle, for sure! Those were on last position, weren't they ... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Ah- jetzt verstehe ich...so for an NCO the prussian EM was in last place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 For a Baden NCO with this and the Baden medal - yes. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) This Bavarian postman uses the double LS awards. Is that a postwar uniform, with the Treudienst M1957? Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) Bar: Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambolini Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) Hi,Looks to me like the standard 3rd Reich issue loyal service being worn backwards.Regards,Sam Edited May 6, 2008 by sambolini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 Hi,Looks to me like the standard 3rd Reich issue loyal service being worn backwards.Regards,SamCertainly a political statement, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 His Bavarian M.V.O. Cross is on backwards as well!! And he seems very proud of his old German Legion of Honor with Combatant Insignia as well.If the Treudienst is an original he would be taking a chance to be seen publicly wearing it even on backwardspossibly having to risk a de-nazification course, unless he only wore it for this studio portrait I don't have any reference pictures of the 1957 types of this award.Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I guess the bar is as he war it throughout the 1930s and war, sometime he got the Treudienst but never got around to mounting it and then sometime long after the war he went for a studio photo and took everything he had in the drawer to wear for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 7, 2008 Author Share Posted May 7, 2008 (edited) Generalleutnant Harry Hoppe talking to his men - but somehow is EK1 seems to have gone on holiday... Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 This is my best "mistake" photo. I call him "The Naughty Bavarian" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 This is my best "mistake" photo. I call him "The Naughty Bavarian" Fahnrich, Sergeant and then Lt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Thanks to Brian for this one:Taken on November 15, 1938. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 A close up at higher resolution....from the interim 1934-35 period and too cheap to update it. He probably got booted out of the Stahlhelm/SA Reserve after the 1936/37 "coordination"/purge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 hiya u-man,how clear is the original pic? any chance of a closeup of the vet's pinback? i'd be interested to see which version it is (there were three). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) Hmmmm... I shall try again....but it's about as big as I can make it; it's dark here in the grotto...and I do not own an epson: Edited November 6, 2008 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 no worries--if you are bored, break out your loupe and take a look at the center disc. i posted a thread over on weimar pertaining to this award, and am still eager to find a 'leipzig' version... that's why i'm asking...cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 :jumping: Very Late Naughtiness!!!!! :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 another mistake in wear-this time from @ 1940.Just got this one today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 :speechless1: (Sometimes I wish these smilies came in size increments.)That is simply freakish!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Here's another case of long service decorations the wrong way: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 BAD Oberstabszahlmeister! BAD! Got a name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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