j-sk Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Hello Lambert, What an interesting "Ordensspange". Although I am always slightly taken aback when it comes to deal with Hindenburgkreuz mixed with other unofficial Weimar medals mounted together on the same bar, this particular group looks original, i.e. mounted before WW2, just like the group in the following picture (taken from the thread "Mistakes in wear"): against all regulations, we can see, from left to right / Hindenburgkreuz for non-combattant / Legion of Honour without the wreath and sword on the ribbon / Flandernkreuz / what looks like a Prussian long service medal / Prussian Red Cross 3rd class medal / Hungarian 1914-1918 non-combattant medal. It is therefore not impossible to find genuine pre-WW2 "Ordensspangen" mixing the Hindenburgkreuz with officially banned Weimar medals !!! In your case, I guess that the original owner replaced himself, on his Weimar 4-medal group, the last unofficial medal (possibly the Kyffhäuserbund medal???) by the newly acquired Hindenburgkreuz and kept the Legion of Honour in its original place in order to "fill the gap" a 3 medal group would have left on a 4 medal bar... Jean-Sam. , Please note: according to Ulsterman (see his posting under thread: Mistakes in wear), this photo was taken on November 15th 1938... i.e. years after the "unofficial" medals were "officially" banned...! Cheers, Jean-Samuel Karlen
lambert Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I believe that there was no punishment for those who do not comply with the new rule? a fine for example? Lambert
j-sk Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I don't think veterans have ever been punished for wearing unofficial medals. After all, they wore them only as a proud "souvenir" of their sacrifice for the "Vaterland", not as an element to be worn officially in a state job. I suppose these rules were mainly applicable to military personnel or police forces "in uniform". Jean-Sam.
Ulsterman Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I have about a dozen photos of post 1935 veterans wearing unofficial or proscribed awards. I know of about a dozen more. Most are NSKOV guys wearing a Prussian Veterans Association honour medal (which we know from award docs was awarded until at least 1940) or Freikorps awards. Germans, being Germans, tended to follow the rules. Pictures of proscribed awards being worn by Wehrmacht men in uniform are almost unheard of- I can think of fewer than 20 pictures I have seen in over 25 years of photo collecting- and I actively look for these. Most of the proscribed awards pictures I can recall are either being worn by prominent individuals (Prince Von so-and-so) who obviously thought themselves above the rules (or were oblivious) or Freikorps awards- which obviously were worn as a 'I was there' statement. Medals mattered in the Third Reich. Wearing certain awards could be viewed as a political statement and after the Rohm Putsch, many people were highly aware of that fact and the young men in black uniforms who were willing to 'interrogate ' you about such things. Most of the medal bars I have seen with WW1 awards, the HKx and the veterans' badges I presume to be NSKOV men and made in 1934-35. These guys got away with it because to remount their bar after the proscription in late 1935 cost money. Most people didnt have a lot of extra cash. Also, wearing an "illegal" bar three times a year in a parade hardly was earth shattering. Bars with these proscribed awards that also have Wehrmacht awards (esp. LS awards) on them are almost certainly fakes.
lambert Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Thank you for sharing this opinion. I agree with you Lambert
lambert Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 My recent acquisition. Single bar, Orden der Deutschen Ehre Legion
Claudio Posted March 20, 2015 Author Posted March 20, 2015 A couple of bars, newly purchased... ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">
Claudius Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Claudio;That is nice Navy Commemorative medal bar. The battle bars are amazing. Congratulations! (I don't know what happened on the GMIC website, but I can finally respond)
j-sk Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 A couple of bars, newly purchased...">">">">Great medal groups. Especially the one with the LUFTKRIEG combat bar!Do you know whom it belonged to?
Claudio Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 No, unfortunately not... I just bought the medals, there were no documents.C
j-sk Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Good evening Gentlemen,Some of my favorite Weimar medal bars in the following posts.I start with a two-medal bar. Nothing much, really, and rather easy to get, but I like it anyway. CheersJean-Samuel Karlen
j-sk Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Here is a Frackspange I have purchased recently.Note: the EK2 and WW1 commemorative Hungarian medal were lacking.They were probably removed from the bar after 1934.I thought it best to refurbish the all thing.
j-sk Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 And I'll finish my display today by another "cutie".Good evening to you alland all the best.J-S Karlen.
dante Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I have included medals issued or purchased after 1918
j-sk Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Very nice medal bars. Something to be proud of.It is interesting to see the Hindenburg cross mixed with the unofficial and eventually banned Weimar medals and crosses! German were obviouly more "relax" about regulations as it is usually expected...I particularly like the "Treu dem 18. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment" group with the photo and the WW1 veteran diploma. Just SPLENDID !
Eric K. Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I have always loved Weimar bars,unfortunately I never really got into them until very recent. I am slowly narrowing my field down to Freikorp/Weimar goodness and this thread alone is a treasure trove of information. keep them coming! Eric Edited June 30, 2015 by Eric K.
j-sk Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Hello Gentlemen,I have put the following Weimar four-medal bar for sale on eBay as well as some other stuff.Link: http://www.ebay.de/itm/301674392525?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649Should anyone be interested, just get back to me and we could find an arrangement.All the best,Jean-Sam.
depaor01 Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Hi all, I was directed to this forum from another WWI forum and hope you can help. I have no Austro Hungarian medals in my collection and was delighted to pick this up recently. It's amazing how accurate a picture of the original recipient you can get from the different awards. As best I can fathom out, this is the man's story reading the medals left to right: Decorated for Bravery: Franz Josef Medal in Silver Was in a combatant unit for at least 12 weeks: Karl Truppenkreuz Was wounded five times : Austro-Hungarian Wound Medal with five stripes on ribbon War Commemorative Medal (Pro Deo et Patria) Tirol Defence Medal: Possibly member of a mountain troop? Commemorative medal of the World War Bulgarian European War Commemorative Medal: Served in Bulgarian forces(?) If any experts out there could confirm that my assumptions above are correct, and also someone might have an idea about the unusual ribbon arrangement. Being Austrian shouldn't they be triangular? Any help much appreciated. Dave Edited May 1, 2016 by depaor01
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Nice looking bar, as a German WW1 collector it feels strange to see a bar withut german awards ;-)
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