Stogieman Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 My latest packet. I have the Second Class and now this Third Class Packet. Note the screw disc. I have never seen one silvered before. Has anyone else ever seen that?
Stogieman Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Hi Petr, I checked all of mine as well as all my example/archive photos. Never seen in silver. Identical in gilt, plain disc in gilt/brass only. Having said this, the disc looks correct to me in everyway, just a different color! Stamps/markings etc. all look correct.
Stogieman Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 More clues! I am posting this pix and hopefully will have these pieces for deeper examination.... perhaps we have some more clues to the presence of this odd mark on the reverse of this one:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=265961There seems to be more transitional elements than we originally thought....Type 1a, Type 1b (screwbacks/neck orders)Type 2a, ribboned with screwback**Type 2b(?) Riveted (??)Type 2c, dimple backType 3, smooth backType 4, smaller suspension(Going from memory here..., sorry for any ommissions)Note the presence of what appears to be rivets in the center where the post/nut used to be!!!Pieces have arrived and they are definately riveted centers. I assume manufactured after the screw/nut pieces of type 2a. Rivets are hollow and same color as base/planchette. Scans & comparison shortly...
Anatoly13 Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Hi Petr, I checked all of mine as well as all my example/archive photos. Never seen in silver. Identical in gilt, plain disc in gilt/brass only. Having said this, the disc looks correct to me in everyway, just a different color! Stamps/markings etc. all look correct.The same screwbacks are characteristic for early emisions-oops,mistake - issues. Edited July 14, 2009 by Anatoly13
Stogieman Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Excellent! Thank you Anatoly, so the disc is good and an early one. I have none of the first types with initials (yet!). How do you feel about the theory that these were prototypes and not issued? Do you know of one that is documented?Approximate dates this eariest type was awarded?Thanks! Rick
Anatoly13 Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Everything that I know about this issue is that nobody knows they were awarded or not. And the document cannot serve as the proof even if it will be on sale with such order because this orders are without numbers. so it is possible to put any document to any award of this early time period.
bolgarin Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Even nobody saw fhotos with this order wearing by recepient......Nobody knows what is this - issue with Letteres VL
Stogieman Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Scan of the reverse of the latest discovered variation. To me, it looks like a disc with a small, round-headed rivet through the center to assemble the components. My Twin thinks the center is a tiny screw post with the disc spun on to assemble. I'm not really ready to attempt to disaassemble these!
Anatoly13 Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 I saw many orders of this type and small nuts which hold the central medallion were in different forms. Round nuts did not see. I will know abt it.Thx! :cheers:
Stogieman Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Is anyone aware of currently made reproductions of the 9th September??
Stogieman Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Well, this should turn a few heads..... we now have three (3) very distinct types of award documents! Oversized Gramota paper document (A4 sized) Paper folded booklet Hard cover orders book
christerd Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Wow ! That was a real headturner! Never seen one before The area of Bulgarian awards collecting is bigger than I thought. Christer
bolgarin Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 I never see such document. Can you send to me good scan of it. p.krikunov@rambler.ru. Will be very very apreciate.....)))
Stogieman Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Hi Petr, will get scans to you as soon as possible (about 2 weeks). In the interim, here's a picture of the cover page:
Stogieman Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 New scan of interior, I have played with contrast to bring out the lettering and stamp. Petr, let me know if this scan is OK.
Stogieman Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Just after Christmas I was given an opportunity to purchase this odd example of a first class award. Hollow, substantial weight difference from an awarded Type 1, per him, only one confirmed award and only a dozen known examples. Note the lack of enamel on the reverse center disc. I debated for a bit, but eventually passed as a little too oddball/exotic for me (but mostly because he had a pretty interesting group for me as well!) I am curious if anyone has ever seen one of these before? If I can confirm the details, I will adjust our Typology thread accordingly.
Stogieman Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 And a side-view that shows the two halves/seam pretty well.
bolgarin Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 For me its normal 1 class ezrly emissia on neck ribbon with some enameled problems and missing some parts for handling.....
Stogieman Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Hello Petr, Happy New Year. What about the lack of gilding on the piece? Also, the detail on the swords looks different to me. (Look at hilts) The other thing I see is a two-part, hollow order; not the solid piece as normally issued?
bolgarin Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 Sorry i cant check my order for now - after reparation in my flat, awards still in boxes.....(((( But i think that everithing is ok with this order.....
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