scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 heres one i had for a few yrs has the older type smooth armed red eagle order 4th cl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I think there's something else interesting and unusual about this medal bar!Today's quiz!Who can tell me something else special about this bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 He had the Centenar medal but NO KDM 1870/71 or earlier war crosses..............................................so he must have been in a official position near to emperor during 1897 to get this medal - am I right master??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Sorry, bud the RAO4 is a Copy. Greetings Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I think there's something else interesting and unusual about this medal bar!Today's quiz!Who can tell me something else special about this bar?Normally the KO4 should be the first order someone got in old Prussia, and after some years of service the REO4 after the KO4. The REO4 looks like the type awarded up to the year 1854 (lilac eagle), the KO4 is the type awarded from 1867...Is there a prize in your quiz Regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Sorry, bud the RAO4 is a Copy. Greetings MikeWhy ???Can you argue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Why ???Can you argue ? I know him and I?m afraid he knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) I know him and I?m afraid he knows Yes, I don't have any doubt, but I think it could be usefull to know why ! Edited April 25, 2008 by pinpon590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 hellowith all respect I don't believe this to be a repro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Because these counterfeit pieces from grained poor. Such an eagle painting, there has never been in the original. The gold painting is here with gold bronze. Sorry my english is verry bad, but this one is 100% a copy. ;o( Mike Greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 well that not good!!! guess i better stop buying bars and start researching better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 so i understand the gold color is not right! it sould be a golder gold not bronze colored?guess i been burned a few times! should i cut this bar up ? is crown order right? scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Please look also in the BDOS Magazin OMM Nr.75. Maybe can someone the article copy and here show. Greetings Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) The cron order is perfekt. ;o)Place a RAO4 with poor grained to this and you have a very nice Bar. ) Edited April 25, 2008 by RAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 well For other to learn from my mistakes I cut it apart ! I believe only thing original to this bar is the kaiser medal ! crown order is a good one but was a a add on as was fake red eagle !!!!!well i am learning a expensive lesson ! but when i got these there was no collectors internet sites! I owned this for 15 yrs i think when did they start faking red eagles??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 well For other to learn from my mistakes I cut it apart ! I believe only thing original to this bar is the kaiser medal ! crown order is a good one but was a a add on as was fake red eagle !!!!!well i am learning a expensive lesson ! but when i got these there was no collectors internet sites! I owned this for 15 yrs i think when did they start faking red eagles??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) Please look also in the BDOS Magazin OMM Nr.75. Maybe can someone the article copy and here show. Greetings MikeOrden-Militaria-Magazin 75, Dezember 1996Dr. Peter SauerwaldSerie: Kopien f?r Sammlerzwecke .... des Roten Adler-Ordens der 4. Klasse(left original / right copy)The copy is casted and of poor quality. The eagle is related to a Chicken Tandoori. Edited April 25, 2008 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Hello RAOJust learned something knew, never imagined 4th classes would be copied. Thought that was reserved for the higher grades. Is this the same situation for the 3rd class Red Eagle in gold as well? Lately have seen plenty of 3rd class examples & now not so certain of orginality. If there are fakes in 3rd class are the copies easy to spot or more difficult then the 4th class examples. Thanks SincerelyYankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Hello everyone:Scott, RAO is 100% correct and knows what he is talking about. These copies are well-known in Germany. Sorry!Yankee, yes there ARE nice-looking (at arm's length anyway) GOLD RAO II and III copies out there. I have seen them offered by someone from Hamburg. They are well made, but not as good as the originals. I think that perhaps they were being made by jewelers to the east of Germany (Poland?, Russia?, etc......).Caveat emptor!"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Hello everyone:Scott, RAO is 100% correct and knows what he is talking about. These copies are well-known in Germany. Sorry!Yankee, yes there ARE nice-looking (at arm's length anyway) GOLD RAO II and III copies out there. I have seen them offered by someone from Hamburg. They are well made, but not as good as the originals. I think that perhaps they were being made by jewelers to the east of Germany (Poland?, Russia?, etc......).Caveat emptor!"SPM"Hi SPMThanks for confirming this sad news. I have seen some with a very bright yellow gold and a shine to the white enamel perhaps that is a indication of recent manufacture. The Red Eagle maker marks I suppose would be most easy to forge since it is a simple initial on the arm. Just amazed somebody would go through the trouble of making a bar and sticking bad pieces, now 3rd class pieces could be suspect on a bar. SincerelyYankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Well, I'm sorry I didn't get here sooner. That was my exciting news. The "Lilac" RAO was a copy. Unfortunately, Scott has destroyed a perfectly good bar, that was salvageable...... not anymore.I can understand frustration and anger, but destructiveness..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 After reading this thread, the first thing I did was check all my RAO's for this funky-chicken fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 I think eMedals has or had some of those REOs been offering for quite a time and doesn't get rid off them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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