saschaw Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 My father got this nice bar a few minutes ago as a telephon bidder at Kube's auction. I heard a possible wearer has yet been identified but I wasn't told who this was. Thanks in advance for a name and thanks to all that didn't place a bid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hi Sascha,I have the name.Best regardsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 That is one spectacular bar. I have never seen a silver and gold grade together. The silver one is non combatant, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Nice bar Very interresting combo with BZ3b mEl and BZ3aX.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 o.k., as I see it is SOLD to Your Father I can come with the name:Korvettenkapit?n Eugen Schoch, born 1879With the right tools 5 minutes to ID him and 10 more to prove it.DOA 08Navy 14Navy 18Roth Baden 14-18Markus Bodeux phantastic Navy Verordnungsblatt work in the German SDABest regardsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Paul... that would be a First Class with Swords and a Second Class with Oakleaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Living in Karlsruhe at Schirmerstra?e 5 in 1939-- same street Nr. 4 in 1935.Will check Lohmann/Hildebrand to see what he did in the Second War (60 in 1939). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I had been at the auction, too. When I heard the price I couldn?t believe it. Wasn?t it a bit too expensive?Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 The thing that surprises me with Kube is that he still doen't have his entire catalogue on-line.... only highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Great Bar !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Daniel, Rick - thousand thanks for that great information. Bernd - Z?hringers have gone up in prices for the last years. I stupid ordinary three place bar with BZL3bX goes nowadays for about 500,- Euro, so I think these 1.600,- Euro were absolutely normal for this one. Though, we wouldn't have paid much more...Paul - not really "non combatant", it's just a peace time award to an officer (sure, though "non combatant" anyway, when there's no war when awarded!). In Baden, swords were given only in war, for war merit. Two grades of Z?hringer L?we order were worn together if one has swords and the other doesn't, no matter what classes they are - and the oaks don't mind. E.g. a 3bX could be worn with a peace time grandcross, as a war time Grandcross with swords could be worn with a 3b. It's mostly about ranks and literally anything is possible - though they're of course hard to get, those medal bars with two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Paul - not really "non combatant", it's just a peace time award to an officer (sure, though "non combatant" anyway, when there's no war when awarded!). In Baden, swords were given only in war, for war merit. Two grades of Z?hringer L?we order were worn together if one has swords and the other doesn't, no matter what classes they are - and the oaks don't mind. E.g. a 3bX could be worn with a peace time grandcross, as a war time Grandcross with swords could be worn with a 3b. It's mostly about ranks and literally anything is possible - though they're of course hard to get, those medal bars with two... Thank you for explaining this to me. I have never seen the two worn together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Given the prices being paid for far too many COMMON things, that sort of price for an identifiable BZ3aX--691 on the Roll, so rarer than a Pour le Merite--group (no WW2 service that I could find-- surprising) isn't too bad. In 10 years.... I only have an award document for one, poor me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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