Nick Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 The Knights Cross with Golden Oak leaves swords and diamonds was the highest gallantry award of the Third Reich. It was only awarded once and that was to Luftwaffe Oberst Hans Ulric Rudel. This man must rate as the most highly decorated combat pilot in history and when you read his CV you quickly see why:He flew 2,530 operations as a Stuka Pilot on the Eastern Front.He personally destroyed 532 Red Army Tanks, & 150 AA Batteries.He sunk a battleship, a cruiser, a destroyer and 70 landing craft as well as other smaller vessels. He also unbelievably scored nine aerial victories as a STUKA pilot !!!! He was shot down thirty times, six of which were behind enemy lines. He was captured by the Russians once and escaped. He was wounded five times and he lost a leg in action, but this did not stop him returning to the skies and destroying 26 more Soviet Tanks before the end of the war.A remarkable man by anyone?s book. However he became an embarrassment to the new post war Germany, as despite his glorious outstanding record, he was an ardent unrepentant Nazi and was outspoken with it.
John Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Yes I've heard of this chap before. Foofighter is well versed on him. Quite an achievement, but its sad that after all he achieved, he learnt nothing.
Jim Baker Posted March 21, 2005 Posted March 21, 2005 If you haven't read his book, I recommend it.You won't have to read much before you realise how unrepentant he was. Still a good read from some one who was in the thick of it.
TacHel Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 His autobiography is entitled "Stuka pilot" and is an excellent account of air to ground and air to air combat on the eastern front. And yes, an incredible pilot who went up the ranks from leutnant to oberst in under 3 years and earning every combat award around. He also flew the FW-190 towards the end of the war.But as a few have already commented, this man was a hardent national socialist! He clearly and openly blames the lies of generals over the ineptitude of Hitler in his book. And his post war record speaks for itself... Why do you think he moved to Argentina?..
Alex K Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Hi I also read his book a good few years ago and he definately never lost his zeal for the NS cause, I believe he was involved in right wing politics in germany during the 50's, possibly before going to South America, he returned in the early 50's.Attached is an interesting post war photo of him obviously proudly wearing his wartime decoration, against the law if taken in germany.regardsAlex
Dave Danner Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 If I remember correctly, his comrade-in-arms in neo-Nazi politics after the war was Otto Ernst Remer, who had made his name in command of the troops which put down the July 20th plot in Berlin.
Alex K Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Otto Ernst Remer was certainly one of Rudel's unrepentant running matesAlex
claudiu Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 (edited) Where are his medals now??? Edited June 10, 2007 by claudiu
Alex K Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Nice images, here's another one similar but not seen so often, from the book "Germany At War" by Lt Col George FortyregardsAlex
Alex K Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Where are his medals now???His medals are still with his family. I believe that his widow was offered something close to 1 million USD for them but refused.Alex
PKeating Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 (edited) One story has it that they were stolen from Rudel sometime after his surrender by a British military policeman and found their way into porn king Paul Raymond's war museum in London in the early 1980s. They were then the subject of a lawsuit in the High Court as Rudel's widow sued for their return. Return was refused because, one suspects, the judge was pressurised into finding against the plaintiff for fear of creating a precedent that could well have emptied Britain's museums! As the story goes, Raymond subsequently did the decent thing by the widow and the medals found their way back to the Rudel family. Rudel surrendered to US forces and while they took his medals and even his false leg, he appealed to the CO of the unit holding him and and his men and got his medals back. He was described as having them with him when he left the custody of the unit in question. PK Edited June 10, 2007 by PKeating
Jim Baker Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 The second story is probably accurate since he was seen with them in his possession prior to his death. Including the photo in this thread. His personality would also support his arguing to get them back (and getting them).
Paul R Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 The second story is probably accurate since he was seen with them in his possession prior to his death. Including the photo in this thread. His personality would also support his arguing to get them back (and getting them).What did he do for a living after the war?
Alex K Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 One story has it that they were stolen from Rudel sometime after his surrender by a British military policeman and found their way into porn king Paul Raymond's war museum in London in the early 1980s. They were then the subject of a lawsuit in the High Court as Rudel's widow sued for their return. Return was refused because, one suspects, the judge was pressurised into finding against the plaintiff for fear of creating a precedent that could well have emptied Britain's museums! As the story goes, Raymond subsequently did the decent thing by the widow and the medals found their way back to the Rudel family. Rudel surrendered to US forces and while they took his medals and even his false leg, he appealed to the CO of the unit holding him and and his men and got his medals back. He was described as having them with him when he left the custody of the unit in question. PKYes you are quite right. If you read his biography, I think called "Stuka Pilot" he says (From Memory) That as he landed to surrender, an american GI grabbed hold of his RK as he sat in his plane and removed iT, he subsequently complained to the station commander about the theft and it was actually retrieved and returned to him. several other decorations, hungarian etc were however not recovered. Paul Raymond did own some of his decs, but I believe that they were the erkunde documents, rarther than the actual pieces, I could however be wrong on this point as I am once again, working from memory.Alex
Jim Baker Posted June 11, 2007 Posted June 11, 2007 What did he do for a living after the war?After the war, Rudel became a close friend and confidante of Argentine president Juan Peron. He wrote two books, "In Spite of Everything", and "Stuka Pilot". Even without a leg, he remained an active sportsman, playing tennis, skiing, and even climbing the highest peak in the Americas, Aconcagua (6,962 meters or 22,841 feet). He also ascended the second highest volcano on Earth three times, the Llullay-Yacu in the Argentine Andes (6,739 meters or 22,109 feet). In addition, Rudel's input was used during the development of the A-10 ground attack aircraft.Rudel returned to West Germany in 1953 and joined the German Reich Party. He became a successful businessman in post-war Germany. He died in Rosenheim in 1982, and was buried in Dornhausen.Rudel was a teetotaler and abstained from alcohol and tobacco. His fellow pilots coined the phrase Hans-Ulrich Rudel, er trinkt nur Sprudel (Hans Ulrich Rudel, he drinks only mineral water).
James Clark Posted June 11, 2007 Posted June 11, 2007 Yes you are quite right. If you read his biography, I think called "Stuka Pilot" he says (From Memory) That as he landed to surrender, an american GI grabbed hold of his RK as he sat in his plane and removed iT, he subsequently complained to the station commander about the theft and it was actually retrieved and returned to him. several other decorations, hungarian etc were however not recovered. Paul Raymond did own some of his decs, but I believe that they were the erkunde documents, rarther than the actual pieces, I could however be wrong on this point as I am once again, working from memory.AlexI remember the story and it was about documents rather than awards. One of the award documents was auctioned to Paul Raymond who already had some of Rudel's other documents. Rudel's widow went to court to try to stop the auction. It was her view that the document in question could not be legally sold as it was stolen because she was the rightful owner. I don't ever remember hearing what the outcome was and I don't know what happened to Raymond's collection.
Laurence Strong Posted June 11, 2007 Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) When he landed at Kitzingen he had stolen his Log Book with everyone of his 2530 operational flights listed, the Urkunde for the Diamond Pilots badge, The high level Hungarian award and some other items he does not list.Taken from "Stuka Pilot" pg 233 Edited June 11, 2007 by Laurence Strong
PKeating Posted June 11, 2007 Posted June 11, 2007 In the end, I think Raymond did the decent thing by her. The man to tell us would be Chris Ailsby, aka here as Warlord. He knew more of the story than I did. I saw the documents and I saw some diamond-studded awards presented as Rudel's. However, I do not recall the awards I saw being displayed publicly. But I do remember the documents. PK
James Clark Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 When he landed at Kitzingen he had stolen his Log Book with everyone of his 2530 operational flights listed, the Urkunde for the Diamond Pilots badge, The high level Hungarian award and some other items he does not list.Taken from "Stuka Pilot" pg 233The "high level Hungarian award" was the Hungarian Officer's Gold Medal for Bravery (A Magyar Tiszti Arany Vit?zs?gi ?rem). Rudel was one of only three German recipients. (source: "Vit?zs?gert" by P?ter Ill?sfalvi, Vilmos Kov?cs and Roland Marusz, Budapest, 2001)
Helmut Von Moltke Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Stuka PilotAre you referring to his memoirs or the biography with many photographs published by Schiffer with the same title?K
Alex K Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) Hi K I am only aware of this one entitled "Stuka Pilot"http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Hans-Ulr...r/dp/0887402526your'e not possibly confusing it with his other publication called "In Spite of Everything"? Edit, which according to Wikepedia Rudel wrote a book entitled "In Spite of Everything" that supported the German invasion of the Soviet Union.Alex K Edited June 16, 2007 by Alex K
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