Glenn J Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Paul's latest pick-up.I will let him comment further.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 :jumping: :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) Glenn thanks for the post. Now what do we have on this nice ribbon bar???? 1. 1914 EK2 (he did not get a EK1)2. order of the White Falcon, Knight 2 with swords (yes rather rare)3. Oldenburg Friedrich-August Cross 2nd class (he did not get the first)4. Hamburg Hanseatic Cross5. Hindenburg Cross with swords (FEK) Can anyone trace who this bar is to? Again I ask what is the value of doing the research before buying the medal bar or ribbon bar?A couple of hints: he was a LT in war and with HR 12. (you need the ranglistes for this one) Edited November 3, 2008 by Paul C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Let us not forget the newly published award rolls books still available from co-authors Daniel and me...unless you have (or like) the ORIGINAL versions better! GSF3bX, number 11 in 1916 to Prussians. :catjava: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Yes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Geeze...I love the Order of the White Falcon especially when it has a nice set of swords attached to it. Very nice Paul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 When I saw it, I wanted to say it right away whose ribbon bar was... since I saw once the picture of his medal bar (ex-Stump collection... where's it now???).Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Holy ****, now that is a find. Great one, congratulations. The ribbon bar to the Reichsau?enminister.... great. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Is there any question on the value of research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hi Paul, Very nice ribbon bar. I see it and want to bid but I lost it. It is in a vey good home now I think it's a special point when we can see crown and swords on the SF ribbon., For me I prefer only seeing sword than swords and crown. Don't forger that the crown is not a special award like we can see with the Saxe Albrecht knight cross. Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I haven't been able to find any nice clear photos of ol Joachim wearing just his ribbon bar BUT in the not great ones I have been able to turn up, he is always wearing the crown over Xs on his White Falcon-- which as Christophe points out was never the sanctioned device. Just an anonymous eBay offering.... :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) WOW! Congratulations!! BTW, here's something I've seen sometime ago... yes the order is different, but still.... Edited November 5, 2008 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Looks like Navy backing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 WOW! Congratulations!! BTW, here's something I've seen sometime ago... yes the order is different, but still....Hi all!Yes i have seen a picture of him wearing this bar (5-place)...it is at the start of Formanns book on Political and Cival awards of TR....also on p.g. 39 of the same book there is a picture of him with the Spanish Foreign Minister....in this one he is wearing the Flower War medals on his bar, all in order, not back to front as on the spange posted by Claudio. I also heard some time ago that his medal bar was in the same museum in USA as the 1939 Star of the Iron Cross.....the museums name has slipped my memory now...any truth to this? Best regardsPierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 @ webr55 : the medal bar you are showing lies in my collection... I bought it from a US collector.Apart from the fact that the Anschluss-Medaillen are missing, also the quality of construction of the bar looks a bit "simpler" than the one of Ribbentrop... very likely it was a Godet... as most VIP or Generals had their bars mounted by first class Orden & Ehrenzeichen vendors or juwellers.Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 @ webr55 : the medal bar you are showing lies in my collection... I bought it from a US collector.Apart from the fact that the Anschluss-Medaillen are missing, also the quality of construction of the bar looks a bit "simpler" than the one of Ribbentrop... very likely it was a Godet... as most VIP or Generals had their bars mounted by first class Orden & Ehrenzeichen vendors or juwellers.Ciao,ClaudioAhhh Claudio, good to hear it's yours!Well what I mean is just -- i would like to see a pic of Joachim wearing that ribbon (trop) bar. The combination alone is not THAT unusual...Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Chris,The combination is quite unusual if you consider that only about 1000 RK 2. Kl. mit X of the White Falcon Order have been awarded... plus the other two crosses... I don't think that there are many officers left with that combination... maybe a handful!Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Yes I agree - but a handful is a handful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 "The combination alone is not THAT unusual..."Actually, it is. At some point in the foreseeaable future, when the Hamburg and Oldenburg Rolls are done, we'll know... byut as a TRIO... nobody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) from the medal bars and ribbon bars above, the hamburg cross and FA cross are in different places ....from looking at the pics of Ribbontrop in the book i have, the order was as follows: FA Oldenburg Cross followed by Hamburg Hanseatic Cross. :cheers: Edited November 5, 2008 by luftkreig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Picture of von Ribbontrop with his medal bar. i see von dem Bach in the picture also! :Cat-Scratch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Thanks for the pic. That is a perfect match! Edited December 18, 2008 by Paul C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hi Paul, I have the same photo of Ribbentrop like you. Here is a close up of the ribbon bar.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 well, what this shows is --- we shouldn't place too much emphasis on the ORDER of awards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Where did the above pic come from? The ribbon bar I have could ONLY belong to Ribbentrop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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