oli4vercammen Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 Copy... hmmm... traded it for an unknown obscure African continent Order Oh well... you win some, you lose some...Depends on what the "obscure" african order was....Jacky How can any copy have more (historical)value than the real thing?
ErikMuller Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 How can any copy have more (historical)value than the real thing? OK, bit But here's what I traded it for, any of you gents have an idea what it is?
Jacky Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 ooooh I knew that order,The three star order of virginity of the sahara, very very rare, as there are hardly any virgins in the desert!!! No, just joking, couldn't find it on Internet, maybe are there any clues on the back??Kind regards,Jacky
ErikMuller Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 Nope, just some standard silver marks, will look up the scan later, have to go to work now (already running late!)
Laurence Strong Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 Came in the mail today, one of my Christmass break hauls
Laurence Strong Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 Knights level Civilian DivisionIf I am not mistaken Gustave Wolfers is one of the better Belgian medal makers, though I am not sure how to tell if the medal is genuine too the case 1
Laurence Strong Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 (edited) The medal itself, again I believe the I in the center of the reverse indicates it's from the reign of Leopold I (1831 -1865) Edited January 9, 2007 by Laurence Strong
Laurence Strong Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 Close up of the obverse, the enamel and metal work is very well done, not a 3 dimensional as one perviously posted unfortunately.
Laurence Strong Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 Close up of the reverse again very fine work in my opinion.Thanks for looking Always open to your comments and opinions. Could this be the right medal for the case?
oli4vercammen Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Could this be the right medal for the case?It certainly is! A nice catch, Laurence.
Hendrik Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 The medal itself, again I believe the I in the center of the reverse indicates it's from the reign of Leopold I (1831 -1865)Beautiful cross and a very nice acquisition, Laurence ! And your pictures show that great "old" red enamel perfectly - any markings to be found in the suspension ring ???I'm not so sure about your dating though. I'm certainly no expert on it but rather think your knight's cross is of the type used between 1900 and 1918, judging by its crown suspension shape. Could any of the more informed forum members confirm this or correct me ?In fact, it wouldn't do any harm if anyone could give some tips on what to watch out for in order to properly date the various "types" of this order - any hints as to how to recognize specific maker's differences would also be welcome. Every scrap of information in that respect would be useful !Cheers,Hendrik
Laurence Strong Posted January 10, 2007 Author Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Hi HendrikWhat I did was a: miss read, and then;b: missquoted this post Dear JefThere are no marks in them, even in the first crosses made in 1832 some time you find the monogram with I in the middle, what is sure is that those with a II are made by Heremans, periode of Leopold II, at the periode of King Albert I we find some time back a I in the Monogram. My dating was defientely a little "off". No marks that I can see of.I agree about the enamel work, it was the first thing that caught my eye when i open the box, the colours are really vibrant and translucent.Thanks for the kind words from both of you Edited January 10, 2007 by Laurence Strong
ErikMuller Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 In fact, it wouldn't do any harm if anyone could give some tips on what to watch out for in order to properly date the various "types" of this order - any hints as to how to recognize specific maker's differences would also be welcome. Every scrap of information in that respect would be useful !If Pat would read this, he would probably just say: "Just wait, my book is forthcoming!"
Laurence Strong Posted January 10, 2007 Author Posted January 10, 2007 If Pat would read this, he would probably just say: "Just wait, my book is forthcoming!" Pat? and which book?
ErikMuller Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Pat? and which book?Captain-Commandant (ret'd) Pat van Hoorebeke of the Belgian Army Museum is about to publish his book on the Belgian Orders and its suppliers. Should have been finished last October, however...He's knows quite a lot about boxes, maker's marks, types, etc.
Laurence Strong Posted January 10, 2007 Author Posted January 10, 2007 Thanks Erik, any link to his book?
ErikMuller Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Thanks Erik, any link to his book?Not yet, as soon as it's published I guess Guy will post something on it! (@ Guy?)
g_deploige Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Not yet, as soon as it's published I guess Guy will post something on it! (@ Guy?)It will be there hopely end of this year, the Royal Army Museum will do an exhibition about the Belgian National Orders and specialy about the 175 aniversery of the Order of Leopold. By that occasion normaly the book of our dear Pat will be Publiched, but first there will be a remake of the book of Ren? Cornet, about the l?gislation of the belgian orders, adapted by Pat, with beautifull pictures made by BC. So some day it will be there But my book about the french Imperial orders would be first (no more command on that, ... only that it will be beautifull) Edited January 10, 2007 by g_deploige
oli4vercammen Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 We all know what to put under the tree next Chrismas
Laurence Strong Posted March 16, 2007 Author Posted March 16, 2007 Looking forward to it coming out.My latest additionOfficers class, Military div, With swords and bar.
Jacky Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 Beautifull one for merit in the Corea war!Kind regards,Jacky
Laurence Strong Posted March 25, 2007 Author Posted March 25, 2007 Another one Bi-lingual Officers class. Military Division
Laurence Strong Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 (edited) Wow I just noticed we have our own Belgium forum now. Thanks Nick Anyways. were these for real or is it made up. it's probably as close as I might get to the real deal!! Edited April 10, 2007 by Laurence Strong
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