Flammenwerfer! Flames, skulls and stuff

[Hoss]

Totenkopf for Leib Husaren Pelzmütze

Help out a fellow collector Gents is this original? ROBIN.

Eric

Edited March 18, 2014 by Hoss

[Robin Lumsden]

Looks like one of the old (1950s ??) copies, in plated brass. The wide prongs are very distinctive, as is the 'softening' of the obverse detail. Compare the detailing to this one .................

[Sergeant 08]

I think, I read they were made in the 70's. But I'm not sure.

[Hoss]

Thanks Gents

Eric

[Stuka f]

My latest skull; related to militaria;

[dond]

2 months without a skull sighting. Have we reached the end? Will the mystery of the black skull never be resolved?

[Robin Lumsden]

The black skull ................ there's a blast from the past.

It's now 5 years since the black skull and his twin brother made their appearance ....................... and no other siblings have turned up since.

So, still only two known.

I'm sure they will be explained, some sunny day.

Here's another skull item for the thread .......................

Edited June 5, 2014 by Robin Lumsden

[Robin Lumsden]

The CLTB on the photo above looks very much like style of the one on this memorial .....................

[Chris Boonzaier]

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It's now 5 years since the black skull and his twin brother made their appearance ....................... and no other siblings have turned up since.

So, still only two known.

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The guy who made them on sunday evenings while watching Tatort and drinking beer, thought they were too much effort for the money they earned ;-)

[Robin Lumsden]

I posted this in another thread, but it really belongs here.

Cost me £2 ................... plus £5 postage !!

19th Century hand-coloured lithograph.

eBay is a wonderful place !!

[Chris Boonzaier]

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Here's another skull item for the thread .......................

What on earth is the badge on the left??

[Robin Lumsden]

Chris.

Maybe you are right ................. if Tatort was being broadcast in 1919 !!

[Robin Lumsden]

Chris.

Spanish anti-tank badge.

Skull and BIG crossed bones over PAK.

Edited June 5, 2014 by Robin Lumsden

[Wood]

But it dosen't seem to have any black background.

Pete

Edited June 5, 2014 by Wood

[Robin Lumsden]

Pete.

Spanish items aren't my 'thing', but I believe there were legitimate variants of these ............... both pin back and sew on types.

[Robin Lumsden]

Here's a closer comparison. There are obvious slight differences, but it's clearly the same pattern of badge.

[Naxos]

Here is one for you Robin

Edited June 6, 2014 by Naxos

[Thomas W]

As we well know, Robin, the "experts" are anything but.

A shock trooper with a badge that was never authorized. Ergo, it doesn't exist.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Thomas W

[Chris Boonzaier]

A Ergo, it doesn't exist.

I disagree.... a period photo exists. Ergo, the badge was worn back then.

I do not challenge the existence of Robin's badge... just when and why it was made.

I am sure we will agree that just because some badges existed unofficially back then, it is not a Carte Blanche to believe anything found on Ebay "Could and would" have been original?

If the origin of the badge had somehow been promising, but it was one of those Ebay Junk/Militaria sellers who have the same "Found in an attic/You know what you are seeing/Cant say exactly what it is/"... we all know the type...

Here is his cousin using a similar "found in a house..." description...

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Eichenlaub-Schwerter-und-Brillanten-/151318656661?pt=Militaria&hash=item233b4b7695

[Thomas W]

I also determined without question that the position of the flamethrower troops' sleeve badge identifies the unit or specialty. I did this by finally seeing photos that proved my theory. I couldn't buy them because the moronic German dealers don't sell to Americans. One priceless shot of flamethrower-regiment machine gunners went for 80 Euro, and one of flamethrower regiment grenade-launcher sqiuads went for 60 Euro. I told the dealers after my bids were blocked that I would've paid over 500 Euro for each.

So: This is fact, even though it's not written anywhere.

Badge in the middle of the sleeve cuff, flamethrower operators. Badge below the left elbow, flamethrower operators of Sturmbataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr). Badge at the top of the sleeve cuff, machine gunner. And badge overlapping the cuff and sewn halfway on the sleeve, grenade-launcher crew.

Wish I had the photos of the men with their weapons, but Germans don't like Americans these days. As a result, they're selling priceless cards for next-to-nothing.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Thomas W

[Chris Boonzaier]

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So: This is fact, even though it's not written anywhere.

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Hi Thomas,

I hope you dont take this personally, but I still think that is more theory than fact.

I cannot remember the exact opinions exchanged, but still believe that there are plenty of reasons why in one sector/Unit men did one thing, while in another they did another, both blissfully unaware that things were different elsewhere.

Once again, i am happy to see you back, hope you stay, and keep in the back of your mind, that differing opinions on Militaria are not personal insults, but rather simply differing opinions.

Robin could still date my sister, even if he believes his skulls to be wartime....

[Thomas W]

Hi Thomas,

I hope you dont take this personally, but I still think that is more theory than fact.

I cannot remember the exact opinions exchanged, but still believe that there are plenty of reasons why in one sector/Unit men did one thing, while in another they did another, both blissfully unaware that things were different elsewhere.

Once again, i am happy to see you back, hope you stay, and keep in the back of your mind, that differing opinions on Militaria are not personal insults, but rather simply differing opinions.

Robin could still date my sister, even if he believes his skulls to be wartime....

What's there be insulted about? I found the answer. Nobody has to accept it. In fact new ideas are never accepted. But that doesn't detract from the factually of the answer. All the attempts to explain away a perfectly logical and simple method of ID are the theories. I've seen the photos.

Where there were some photos they'll be others.

[Robin Lumsden]

I love that skull cake !!

[Chris Boonzaier]

I couldn't buy them because the moronic German dealers don't sell to Americans. One priceless shot of flamethrower-regiment machine gunners went for 80 Euro, and one of flamethrower regiment grenade-launcher sqiuads went for 60 Euro. I told the dealers after my bids were blocked that I would've paid over 500 Euro for each.

You should do what I do with the moronic US sellers who won't sell to Europe.... Get someone to bid for you.

[Thomas W]

You should do what I do with the moronic US sellers who won't sell to Europe.... Get someone to bid for you.

I should do a lot of things.

The problem is that the mornic German dealers block the bids without telling you. The only way you find out they don't sell to the US is when you make the bid. Since I use a sniping service, having someone bid for me wouldn't work unless I had a time machine to go back to a couple of days before the bid, or if maybe I had the stopwatch from The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything and was able to stop time.

But thanks for the adivce, as always.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Thomas W