farmer Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Image of 3 different Royal cyphers on cases - those are the most commonly seen but there are others with slight differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I heard some time ago from another collector that the rich blue center on the obverse were dated to be the oldest examples and later came the light blue. No answer to when this change took place. I can only confirm what he says by viewing a Franco-Prussian group that surprisingly had a Italian Officer Crown (rich blue enamel center) with what looked to be the orginal thick hand stitched rosette. Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Hello, the royal monograms gold-embossed on the cases, as pictured in the above post, are correctly referring resp. to king Victor Emanuel II (as 1st King of Italy), then king Humbert I (killed in 1900 by an anarchist) and king Victor Emanuel III. It appears evident the calligraphic difference between the monograms of both Victor Emanuels. The last king of Italy, Humbert II, rarely used monogrammed cases: I personally know a case of a Commander's Cross of the Order of the Crown of Italy, awarded early in 1946, without any royal cypher. The colour of the centre medallion: while it is sure that a cross with pale blue enamelled obverse centre medallion is an early piece, this cannot be a rule with dark blue enamelled centres: those made by the turin firm of Messrs. Pernetti are usually with dark blue enamelled obverse medallions, and such Turin-made pieces are the earliest of all. The florentine jewellers Fratelli Borani were the official suppliers for this order in the short period when the capital city of Italy moved from Turin to Florence. Borani, after 1870, moved to Rome, opening his jewellery shop: this firm, later became Cravanzola and, later, Gardino. Early insignia of the Crown Order are characterized by thicker Savoy knots, while later ones have the knots made by thinner gold wire. Pieces made in Turin earlier than 1870 are often struck with an "eagle's head" mark (meaning the manufacture in gold). Best wishes, Elmar Lang Edited February 1, 2011 by Elmar Lang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) I have this mini-group with the Order of the Crown, Merito di Guerra, Commemorativa della Guerra 1915-1918 and Victory Medal. Two Palms on 15/18 commemorative medal ribbon with the letters "A" and "L" what it means? I would like help from friends. All the Best Lambert Edited April 28, 2011 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 They simply are two laurel branches of the Belgian "Croix de Guerre" with the monogram of the kings Albert and Leopold. The Italian WW1 commemorative medals should have the bars with the years from 1915 to 1918 and the bar "Albania". Best wishes, Elmar Lang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 They simply are two laurel branches of the Belgian "Croix de Guerre" with the monogram of the kings Albert and Leopold. The Italian WW1 commemorative medals should have the bars with the years from 1915 to 1918 and the bar "Albania". Best wishes, Elmar Lang Thans Elmar! Yes I know that the bars Originals medal .. Does the Italian soldier, fought in France or Belgium? Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Perhaps the Italian soldier, fought in France or Belgium? Anyone have any guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chechaco1 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 two different stamps of the cross for 10 years of service in MVSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Fine, original pieces, the piece to the left complete with surely original ribbon too. The different suspension loops indicate two different manufacturers. Best wishes, Enzo (E.L.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chechaco1 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 08.06.2022 at 10:44, Elmar Lang said: Прекрасные, оригинальные изделия, изделие слева тоже дополнено оригинальной лентой. Различные петли подвески указывают на двух разных производителей. С наилучшими пожеланиями, Enzo (E.L.) according to my suggestions, Judging by the numbers of the certificates, in the first two years after the establishment, about 115 thousand crosses were awarded, before the fall of the fascist dictatorship another 45 thousand, in April 1943 the document was numbered 156700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Nice group indeed, belonged to a Bulgarian court dignitary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Hi Elmar Lang, The person is General Draganoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Interesting, thank you. The award document doesn't mention his military rank, but only that he had within the Tsar's court, a rank that in German would have been that of "Hof-Marschall" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Forgot this guy with the mini commander or higher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 A very interesting miniature group. Any idea about its original owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Admiral Yates Stirling, Jr Yates Stirling Jr. (April 30, 1872 – January 27, 1948) was a decorated and controversial rear admiral in the United States Navy whose 44-year career spanned from several years before the Spanish–American War to the mid-1930s. He was awarded the Navy Cross and French Legion of Honor for distinguished service during World War I. The elder son of Rear Admiral Yates Stirling, he was an outspoken advocate of American sea power as a strong deterrent to war and to protect and promote international commerce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostprussenmann_new Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 31/12/2022 at 13:08, Sal said: Admiral Yates Stirling, Jr Yates Stirling Jr. (April 30, 1872 – January 27, 1948) was a decorated and controversial rear admiral in the United States Navy whose 44-year career spanned from several years before the Spanish–American War to the mid-1930s. He was awarded the Navy Cross and French Legion of Honor for distinguished service during World War I. The elder son of Rear Admiral Yates Stirling, he was an outspoken advocate of American sea power as a strong deterrent to war and to protect and promote international commerce. Thanks for sharing. I will have to look him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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