Stogieman Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Well Ed, now you have to put your "salesman" skills to work. Point out to those in Ulanbaatar that one can ask whatever one wants... that doesn't mean it will sell. Also, things have an interesting way of vanishing from this website only to re-appear months later for sale again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Well Ed, now you have to put your "salesman" skills to work. Point out to those in Ulanbaatar that one can ask whatever one wants... that doesn't mean it will sell. Also, things have an interesting way of vanishing from this website only to re-appear months later for sale again....True, true. Most of the UB dealers have multiple Sukhbaatars in stock, but are sitting on them, not interested in selling, until prices go up even MORE. Shall be able to report in more detail this June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Serial# 1934 with doc. for sale right now on a Russian forum.... $4400 buy it now I believe but he won't ship internationally.... There are ways around this I'm sure....I"ll post pictures in a bit. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 These are beautiful - just the first thought on my mind everytime I see one.The reverse indicates this one had a rough life though. On the other hand, great to see a document for such a late one - puts a line in the sand with regard to officially awarded ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 My thoughts exactly, Bob. And this documented specimen has been noted. Battushig 2nd edition will be trying to do something systematic with numbers and dates, but by then the official regsiters should be available anyway.They are still being awarded, so where lies the line . . . ???(Though this may be changing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 And how long is that order been listed? I personally don't take this seller and his price seriosly. Why don't I list a SB for say $8,000 and see if anyone bites ?The item's no longer listed on eBay so I thought, what the hell - send him an email and ask what's up.He's now quoting 5K USD as a price and - to quote him - he's in "no hurry to sell".Two things can happen... either we're in an SB bubble and eventually the local dealers will start selling off to get their investment back and prices will crash... or, this is a perpetual bull market for SB's. I suspect the latter, but feel free to offer me any screw back SB's for sale if you disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALEscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Kind of scary to watch these prices climb and climb.... when will this market implode? I stepped in & out of Mongolian just as I watched the prices explode. It was very discouraging as a collector with limited resources. I thought I had found something "doable".... the illusion didn't last very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Kind of scary to watch these prices climb and climb.... when will this market implode?I asked myself that same question when SB's got over 1.500 USD, 2.000 USD, etc. ... and now I regret that of course with current prices Think we have a bit of an OPEC-like issue here... the tap can be turned on/off at will and dealers (especially at source in UB) are aware that just sitting on their inventory will get them a better return than any other investment will. Take the one screwback currently for sale... it was on eBay for 3.200 not so long ago and probably at that price the dealer would have made a nice margin... now he's saying 5.000 is my price, take it or leave it... because he knows, 2-4-6 months from now that will in fact be the going price and SB's with numbers around 200 are not easy to find.Imagine what'll happen if/when research becomes available... let alone if research would turn out to be more than just a name and a date! It could cause substantial widening of the Mongolia collecting base and supply/demand will have it's effect even more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 3.225, nr 556, private seller - MAY 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALEscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 http://www.visualrian.com/images/item/53753Leonid Brezhnev receives Order of Sukhe-BatorYumzhagiin Tsedenbal, First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party and Chairman of the Council of Ministers (Government) of the Mongolian People's Republic (left), reads out decree of the Great People's Khural (Parliament) on awarding Leonid Brezhnev (right) the Order of Sukhe-Bator.Russia, Moscow Date of event: 15.09.1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 http://www.visualrian.com/images/item/30081Yumjaagiyn Tsedenbal, Nikolai Patolichev and Georgy ZhukovYumjaagiyn Tsedenbal, First Secretary of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party Central Committee, left, and Nikolai Patolichev, U.S.S.R. Foreign Trade Minister, right, congratulate Marshal Georgy Zhukov upon receiving the Order of Sukhe Bator. Location: Russia, Moscow Date of event: 01.04.1969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 http://www.visualrian.com/images/item/38625IMPORTANT PIC - because it shows that (at least for a marshal) SB's were awarded... casedYumzhagiyen Tsedenbal decorates Marshal Alexander Vasilevsky with the order of Suhe-BatorChairman of the Mongolian Council of Ministers Yumzhagiyen Tsedenbal (left) decorates the Soviet Union Marshal Alexander Vasilevsky (right) with the order of Suhe-Bator.Location: Russia, Moscow Date of event: 01.12.1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Not sure if there's any SB for sale at the moment (in the West)RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 3.225, nr 556, private seller - MAY 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALE?PREVIOUSLY FOR SALE BUT NOT REPORTED AS SOLDscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 795, nr 857, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 740, nr 1.938, www.collectrussia.com - 1999- USD 780, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 2002- USD 945, nr 1.233, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 820, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 1.375, nr 89, www.collectrussia.com - 2003- USD 985, nr 523, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.150, nr 519, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 3.225, nr 556, private seller - MAY 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALE?PREVIOUSLY FOR SALE BUT NOT REPORTED AS SOLDscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 795, nr 857, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 740, nr 1.938, www.collectrussia.com - 1999- USD 780, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 2002- USD 945, nr 1.233, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 820, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 1.375, nr 89, www.collectrussia.com - 2003- USD 985, nr 523, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.150, nr 519, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 3.225, nr 556, private seller - MAY 2008- USD 3.500, nr 261, Coinsell (on eBay) - SEPTEMBER 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALE- USD 5.800, nr 448 (screwback), www.collectrussia.comPREVIOUSLY FOR SALE BUT NOT REPORTED AS SOLDscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Edited September 23, 2008 by Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) No.261 that just sold for $3500 was in a rather sad state though....I was thinking about it but after receiving better pictures of the order I decided against it....Some of you might remember the Industrialization valour that Alexei sold a while back... It had what appeared to be fire damage, this is very much the look the damage on this SB...Who would have thought it 2-3 years ago that even an SB like this could sell for so much...Crazy times...JC Edited September 24, 2008 by fjcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 795, nr 857, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 740, nr 1.938, www.collectrussia.com - 1999- USD 780, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 2002- USD 945, nr 1.233, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1.183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.650 (roughly 2.200 USD), nr 1.514, www.huesken.com - JUNE 2007- EURO 1.300 (roughly 1.700 USD), nr 1.246, private seller - SEPTEMBER 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.200 USD - before fees!), nr 1.514, Andreas Thies October auction - OCTOBER 2007- USD 1.850, nr 1.947, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 1.950, nr 1.437, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2008- USD 2.000 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 1,246, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 1.925, nr 902, eBay - FEBRUARY 2008- USD 2.200, nr 1.617, somewhere in Russia - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 1.635, www.collectrussia.com - MARCH 2008- USD 2.750, nr 860, Nota Bene - APRIL 2008- USD 3.200, nr 1.600, www.collectrussia.com - APRIL 2008screwback- USD 820, nr ?, www.collectrussia.com - 1998- USD 1.375, nr 89, www.collectrussia.com - 2003- USD 985, nr 523, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.150, nr 519, www.collectrussia.com - 2004- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006- EUR 1.630 (roughly 2.150 USD), nr 585, Albert GMIC - MAY 2007- USD 2.650, nr 644 (again!), Nota Bene - OCTOBER 2007 (boxed)- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com - NOVEMBER 2007- USD 2.500, nr 777, somewhere in Russia - DECEMBER 2007- USD 3.250 (excl. 15% auction premium), nr 427, Dmitry Markov auction - JANUARY 2008- USD 3.225, nr 556, private seller - MAY 2008- USD 3.500, nr 261, Coinsell (on eBay) - SEPTEMBER 2008CURRENTLY FOR SALE- USD 5.800, nr 448 (screwback), www.collectrussia.com- USD 3.800, nr 1.388 (pintback), private sellerPREVIOUSLY FOR SALE BUT NOT REPORTED AS SOLDscrewback- USD 5.000, nr 227, Coinsell (on eBay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 One is up for auction (number unreported ) in the upcoming 22 November 2008 San Giorgio auction. As the description is only in Italian (unlike most of their items), I cannot tell whether it is screwback or pinback. Their estimate is EUR 1300-1800 (around $1666-2308), which is clearly dangerous delusional. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Apparantly a screwbackJan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Theres a HERO STAR in that auction :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Theres a HERO STAR in that auction You think they'll take my car in trade for the hero???No???,didn't think so either.........!!!!Bob you started a thread a while back about a certain dagger that sold on ebay........ Well guess what it's up for sale in this sale!!!I got screwed, big time!! That'll teach me for paying with a moneyorder!!Great looking auction!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 You think they'll take my car in trade for the hero???No???,didn't think so either.........!!!!Bob you started a thread a while back about a certain dagger that sold on ebay........ Well guess what it's up for sale in this sale!!!I got screwed, big time!! That'll teach me for paying with a moneyorder!!Great looking auction!!i'd seriously consider selling all my SB's to get that Hero Star... unfortunately even then I'm not sure it would raise enough cash:(you mean that dagger belonging to a mongolian government member or something? I bid on it but was slighly under... regretted it but it appears from your post that something not right happened:(intresting auction, that's for sure... too bad the collector wasn't an active member of gmic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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