Dudeman Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 I thought I would open this topic up to awards that have been modified outside of the mint. This can include altered suspensions, engraving, scratches to test whether the item is really gold, etc.This piece has a been punched with some kind of metal stamp. The "puncher" also punched the medal on the edge at about 10 o'clock relative to the medal's revese and is slightly visible. Was this the work of a bored child or does it mean anything? The punch would be either "ZO" or "30" in Cyrillic.The piece illustrated also has "dings" that I mentioned on another thread as a good indicator of genuine wear and a piece's authenticity. It usually shows up on Bravery Medals and Combat Service Medals, but also on on other predominately silver awards. These dings come from beating up against the "harder" campaign medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 Has someone already seen such a stamp ? If not, I would guess for a kind of "home made" metal resistance test for both the stamp and the medal... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Modified awardsIf I remember right, they where sold years ago on ebay.Seems to be a nice work from the owner, to protect the tunic.regardsAndreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 This system presents similarities with more recent Mongolian attachment systems. In fact, with other orders, my first guess would have been that these awards have been attributed to a foreigner, who adapted the attachment system to something similar to what he is used to have... But, this does not seem to be the case, here.Interesting.Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 This system presents similarities with more recent Mongolian attachment systems. In fact, with other orders, my first guess would have been that these awards have been attributed to a foreigner, who adapted the attachment system to something similar to what he is used to have... But, this does not seem to be the case, here.Interesting.Cheers.Ch.This style of attachment is infrequently encountered. I have a set with two Red Stars and an OPW II all done similarly. Screwposts are also often filed down to keep from poking the wearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Would it be to allow the wear of them on a civil suit ? Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 Who is to say? I think it was just an individual's taste. Real diehards, would wear this screwback orders even on a civilian suit ALL the time and thus wouldn't care about the holes they made. Others, especially with the dawn of the early 90s would merely wear their ribbon bars to avoid getting mugged for their valuable awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 (edited) Would it be logic to assume, that every veteran had a special civil "Parade"-suite only to wear on special occasions? Edited December 26, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Gerd,This would be logical... but pictures show they often wear them on their daily clothes (or what seems to be). Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 Would it be logic to assume, that every veteran had a special civil "Parade"-suite only to wear on special occasions?Many Russian pensioners I know only have one suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCL Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Hi dudeman,I agree.I have a couple of Imperial pieces altered in the same way.Altered to wear without damage to ones suit..George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Thanks everyone Interesting examples, George.best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I have a question..... by altered, would that include changed serial numbers? I am just curious. Having been advised to steer clear of anything that has been monkeyed with...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 In the examples shown in this thread, it does not imply modifications of the SN, but a different way of wearing them. That's also sometimes the case when the regulations have changed. We can see from times to times Orders of the Red Banner with screwbacks that have been converted lately to be worn with a suspension. It does not diminish their value, far from this...An alteration of the SN is a different story... generally to stay away from...Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Yakov Pavlovich Grebennik (b. 1916) received this Red Banner for fighting at Lake Khasan in 1938, during his compulsory army service (before going on to a long but lackluster career in State Security as a Technical Senior Lieutenant well into the 1960s)[attachmentid=20737]Rather than turn his prized award in for a then-current replacement after 1943, he did what a lot of screwback wearers did-- he hacked off the screwpost and soldered on a sloppy suspension loop:[attachmentid=20738]Comrade Grebennik was still alive in 1991, so this was WORN for over 50 years:[attachmentid=20739]This went through Stalingrad with him. So yes it is battered and damaged, but it tells the tale of a loooooong life lived in the Soviet Union from the Great Purge to the final collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Rick,This is a superb example!!! Great to post it!!Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 wow, Rick, where did you hide this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Gee whiz........ he's never even shown this one off to me! Now that speaks of history..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I showed that group another place another time.Well, I'll repost it for HERE in the Researched Groups subforum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I remember seeing it on the Wehrmacht forums!Nice piece!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 This Stalingrad medal recipient added to the reverse a span of German medal ribbon. Wonder what the story was behind this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 If I remember right, they where sold years ago on ebay.Seems to be a nice work from the owner, to protect the tunic.These actually didn't sell on eBay. My reserve was $700, and no one would buy the group, which included all his jubilee medals and...by the way...he was also KGB! Mind you, I sold this group two years ago. How ironic it is that it would bring well over 200% what I was asking now!Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Doug Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 These actually didn't sell on eBay. My reserve was $700, and no one would buy the group, which included all his jubilee medals and...by the way...he was also KGB! Mind you, I sold this group two years ago. How ironic it is that it would bring well over 200% what I was asking now!DaveIf I remember correctly, the anxious buyer had to wait for the better part of a year to finally buy it because the seller was off on some kind of boat trip!!! To this day, the buyer considers it one of his favorite groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 If I remember correctly, the anxious buyer had to wait for the better part of a year to finally buy it because the seller was off on some kind of boat trip!!! To this day, the buyer considers it one of his favorite groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWE Erik Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 A very interesting topic with many nice objects! Thanks for sharing them.Here is my small contribution. An Order of Glory with replaced pin, nothing special really but I like it. And it looks like the boxes under the letters "C" and "B" would be some kind of error in the manufacturing process?/Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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