sambolini Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) Hi, Is it just me, or was 700 GBP way too much for this bar. Maybe I'm missing something here? Regards, Sam K. http://www.spink.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=1008+++++310+&refno=11579056&saletype= BTW, 700GBP was the gavel price. Edited November 28, 2010 by sambolini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 I posted the picture and text in order to show what we are talking about... Auction's description: 310 A Group of Five to a German Veteran of the Great War Germany, Prussia, Iron Cross 1914, Second Class breast Badge, 44mm, silver and iron centre; Germany, Saxony, War Merit Cross 1915, bronze; Germany, Imperial, War Combatant’s Cross 1914-18, bronze; Germany, Saxony, Reserve Long Service Medal, Second Class, bronze; Turkey, Ottoman Empire, Red Crescent Medal, 29mm, silver and enamel, with silver and enamel suspension bar and integral top enamel riband bar dated AH 1327-1329, good very fine, mounted as worn, with a scarce Bestowal Document for the Ottoman Empire award (5) £200-240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Must be due to the Ottoman medal, which as a single is neither too much. The German set without the Ottoman would have hardly reached 200 pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 A doc was with the group... who was it awarded to? I would never judge a price of an attributed bar without knowing who it was attributed to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Certainly an extremely interesting bar, would like to see the urkunde as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Quite an unusual bar to be sure. I suppose that it could be worth that much to someone with a specialized interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azyeoman Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Remember that all auction houses print lower than expected estimates; much much lower in most cases. I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind it other than to entice people to bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 I think to have seen this bar before... maybe Zeige... but I am too lazy to check all the auctions catalogues of the past 2-4 years. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambolini Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hi, Thanks everyone for the replies. Also, thanks Claudio for posting the photo. It did not occur to me that it went so high because of the document Chris. That may be the reason. It went over my head, as I am not a document collector myself. Saschaw, I agree and I thought with the Turkish award it would top out at maybe 325. Once again, thanks to all for taking time to add input, I really thought I was missing something "hiding in plain sight" as the saying goes. Kind regards, Sam K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hi, It did not occur to me that it went so high because of the document Chris. Kind regards, Sam K. Hi, have no idea what the doc says.. or even if it belongs to the group. If Claudio was to saw it was not with the bar when sold a few years ago, or if it were to a toilet cleaner... we would be back at wondering why the group went for so much. Best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I saw similar groups, offered with Ottoman awards, and some time later, these incl. the ribbon ripped of... I hope this won't happen to this one as well... such a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I saw similar groups, offered with Ottoman awards, and some time later, these incl. the ribbon ripped of... I hope this won't happen to this one as well... such a shame. Let's hope that when you spend 700GBP on a bar you're not going to ruin the value. To sell the medal individually? What other purpose would there be in removing the medal&ribbon? Is this some kind of numismatic equivalent of ethnic-cleansing? Please tell me it's not. :violent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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