JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Kапитан Григорий Яковлевич Бахчиванджи - died testing the first Soviet rocket fighter, the БИ-1? He certainly was thinking 'outside of the box'! I have seen that face before but just can't place it and it is way past my bedtime. Gunner 1 So sorry, I forgot to reply to your answer - No. This is not the correct answer. And its those trying to reply who need to think outside the box...although our pilot certainly did...... Valter's earlier reply was the warmest so far......
Harvey Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Well, I was going to suggest Senior Lieutenant I.I. Ivanov, who on 22 June 1941 became the first Soviet pilot to ram another aircraft - introducing the concept of "taran." Or possibly Captain Boris Kovzan, who successfully rammed 4 aircraft in less than a year - and lived to tell about it! So if it's not aerial ramming or ground ramming, it must be something else...
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Valter..... Harvey.... you are both warm....but you are not thinking outside the box.....and reading between the lines Read my words well and get rid of certain preconceived notions ..... I'll gather all the hints in a post to help summarise..... You are both so close.....
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 SUMMARY OF Question number 11 I was a Soviet pilot and I have done what no other pilot like me has, although in doing so, I lost my life. My better half was also a pilot dying in combat two years later. Who am I? What was my rank/title? What did I do that was so unique? and then...... a hint.... here is my pic.... handsome eh!!! and then...... I died during the Great Patriotic War. Recognition for my action resulted in a later posthumous award. Lets add something....I have carefully avoided the use of certain words - that is also a hint in itself.... What this pilot did is unique because of the person doing it, not because it was not done by others. It was a first and only for this kind of pilot and no such pilot ever did it. I cannot say more without giving the game away, but pilot and aircraft went down in 1941. Recognition came just under 50 years later. Come on gentleman....you're almost there....I think you should get it now..... and if you do not I'll post another picture that I hope will get you THINKING OUT OF THE BOX!!!!! Jim :cheers:
Harvey Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Ha! I found it! Yekaterina Ivanovna Zelenko (September 14, 1916—September 12, 1941) was a Soviet (ethnic Ukrainian) war pilot. She is the only woman ever to have performed an air ramming. Zelenko attended seven school classes in Kursk. With her mother's move to Voronezh, Yekaterina entered the Voronezh Secondary Flying School. In October 1933 she passed through Voronezh Flying Club and was sent to the 3rd Orenburg Military Flying Academy named after Kliment Voroshilov. Later she found herself in Kharkov, assigned to the 19th Light Bomber Brigade. In the Winter War Zelenko was the only female pilot. On the eve of Operation Barbarossa, Zelenko was taking part in the retraining of the leading personnel of seven flying regiments in use of the Sukhoi Su-2. Following the German invasion, Zelenko made forty flights (also at night) and participated in twelve air combats with enemy fighters. On September 12, 1941, Zelenko's Su-2 was attacked by seven Messerschmidt Me-109s. After Zelenko ran out of ammunition, she launched a top-down air ramming which tore an Me-109 in two as the propeller hit the German aircraft's tail. The Su-2 she was piloting exploded though, and Zelenko was pulled out of cockpit. The air combat was observed by local residents who identified her body. On May 5, 1990 Zelenko was awarded the title of the Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously. A minor planet, 1900 Katyusha, was named after her. Zelenko's husband Pavel Ignatenko also died in air combat in 1943. A few more pictures: Edited July 28, 2011 by Harvey
Harvey Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 And I'm going to pass on thinking up the next question - any takers?
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Phew.... well done Harvery!!! As you may realise I worded things in such a manner so as to not identify the sex of our pilot The photo seems to have helped convince you all that she was a man too. Yes, she was the first, and as far as is known, only female pilot to ram another plane down. A very heroic woman, whose deeds were only recognised in 1990 when she was awarded the HSU title!!! You and Valter were ever so close to the answer again.....! But you persevered and scored the point! Congratulations!!!! Jim :cheers:
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 The score is presently as follows 3 points - Hauptmann (Dan) 3 points - JimZ 3 points - Harvey 1 point - Valter 1 point - kapten_windu Harvey has offered that any other member may jump in and ask next question number 12. If there are no takers within 48 hours or so, I'll ask another question myself to keep the quiz going....However, I would rather someone else asks the question. Harvey, if you do change your mind and come up with another great challenge, feel free to post the next one just the same. (For new members please remember the rules on page 1 if you are not familiar with the Quiz). Looking forward to Question no 12!!! Jim :cheers:
Hauptmann Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 I killed over 300 men and never expressed any regret for doing so... it was all in the line of duty. Who am I? In what branch or branches of the service was in in? What was presented to me and who was it presented by? What two famous and important individuals did I meet? Where am I now? Good luck! Dan :cheers:
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah....off we go again....Thanks Dan Jim :cheers:
Valter Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Sorry to interfere here, but I think this question is too broad. Dozens, if not hundreds of men could fit into this... For instance: I killed over 300 men and never expressed any regret for doing so... it was all in the line of duty. Who am I? Lavrenty Beria In what branch or branches of the service was in in? NKVD What was presented to me and who was it presented by? Title of Marshal of SSSR, 5 orders of Lenin, Hero of socialist labour... by Stalin. What two famous and important individuals did I meet? Stalin, Hruscev, Zhukov ... and many more. Where am I now? A red horned guy said it's hell, but I don't believe in it ;-) Good luck! Dan
Hauptmann Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Okay but in the case of someone like Beria he's so far over 300... why would I pick such a low figure? However... to get things back on a (hopefully!) totally even keel: I killed (officially) 309 men and never expressed any regret for doing so... it was all in the line of duty. Who am I? In what branches of the service was in in? I volunteered for one but ended up in another. What was presented to me and who was it presented by? What two famous and important individuals did I meet? Where am I now? Hope this is a bit better... trying to not make it "too" easy as my last one was answered before the "ink" was dry. Good luck all! Dan :cheers: Edited July 28, 2011 by Hauptmann
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Now that made it too easy. Questions are ok if they are not that straight forward provided that the person asking the question starts dropping hints.!!! Difficuilt questions kill off the Quiz but there is nothing wrong with a bit of a challenge. After some random thoughts, my mind went immediately to a sniper. Few soldiers can know exactly how many kills they have unless they are counting (like pilots or snipers or tankers etc...). Also very few soldiers probably can survive to kill as many unless the odds are in their favour and they have the advantage. I am sure we are speaking of Lyudmilla Pavlichenko, Sniper, 309 kills. She volonteered for the infantry, and was then assigned to a rifle division. She met Franklin and EleanoR Roosevelt. She was presented with a sighted Winchester Rifle. She is buried in the Novodevicvhye Cemetery in Moscow. I think that answers it all Correct Dan? Jim :cheers: Edited July 28, 2011 by JimZ : SPELLING & FORMATTING
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Valter - I loved your replies re Beria.... "..... A red horned guy said it's hell, but I don't believe in it ;-)..... LMAO!!! " I bet he tried to disappear the Red Horned guy too!!!! Funny how Beria also came to mind first until I considered a sniper. I searched for the top Russian snipers and there were 2 women with 308 and 309 kills among them. However I did not think that Dan would go for yet another woman.....so I left the question to give its some more thought.... Jim :cheers:
Hauptmann Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Congrats Jim on another victory! Sorry to say the ink still wasn't dry. I just knew as soon as I made it that little bit more specific someone would get it, that's why I tried to be a bit vague. Guess I'm just not so hot in coming up with good questions... sigh. I tried. Anyhoo, it's back in your court for #13. Dan :cheers: Edited July 28, 2011 by Hauptmann
Hauptmann Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Also here's a link to more info: http://www.vincelewis.net/sniper.html But if you do a search on her there's tons out there. Also, re: the presentation I also would have accepted an engraved Colt 1911 that was presented to her by Union leaders from Colt's factory in Hartford Connecticut. Dan :cheers: Edited July 28, 2011 by Hauptmann
Hauptmann Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Tributes to Lyudmila: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related http://www.youtube.c...feature=related A speech she gave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDO6n7GuslA&feature=related This one is still a good shot! http://www.youtube.c...feature=related Dan :cheers: Edited July 28, 2011 by Hauptmann
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 No Dan, It was not as straightforward as the previous one. However, I had already seen the number 309, so the moment you edited your hints, I could place my finger on the trigger and fire away at the answer. Its actually tricky to come up with good questions and to keep others interested, whilst also trying to touch on different topics..... Plus I'm at home with my wife and new (second) baby this week so I have some extra time to research the answers, something that is not as easy to do when I am at the office. :-) Jim :cheers:
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 The score is presently as follows 4 points - JimZ 3 points - Hauptmann (Dan) 3 points - Harvey 1 point - Valter 1 point - kapten_windu I'll come up with question 13 shortly.... Jim
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Question 13 The navy was my heart since the age of 15. When others were waiting idly, I was ready. I had rank and title but was twice demoted. My legacy still lives on today. Who am I? Who had a beef with me? What is my legacy? I think this is a very easy one.... almost a present...... Good luck! Jim :cheers:
Valter Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Admiral Nikolay Gerasimovich Kuznyetsov (1904-1974) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Gerasimovich_Kuznetsov The first time I clashed with Stalin, and second time with Zhukov, and my legacy is the class of Soviet/Russian aircraft carriers.
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Correct answer Valter. I said this was not a hard one. Glad you got it just before I turned in for the night....like that I can pass the next question on to you. Looking forward to waking up to the next challenge! Jim :cheers:
JimZ Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 The score is presently as follows: 4 points - JimZ 3 points - Hauptmann (Dan) 3 points - Harvey 2 points - Valter 1 point - kapten_windu Question 14 is in your hands Valter.... Jim
Valter Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Thanks, Jim, that one was not hard... When I saw admiral and that he still has a legacy, I was almost sure the "legcy" is a carrier - I just had to check if it's Kuznyetsov or Gorshkov. ;-) Here's my ?: I'm a fusion of milleniums old tradition and modern times. They called me "pride" and "beauty", but nobody really knows where my name comes from. They never gave me a medal, but they errected me a monument. I starred in film and cartoon movies, and there are many songs about me. I was retired in 1950's, but my younger bigger cousins are still on duty. What's my name? Where is my monument?
Gunner 1 Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 The Cruiser Aurora. The monument is in St. Petersburg.
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