Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 http://www.ebay.de/itm/Doppeletui-Eisernes-Kreuz-1-2-Klasse-Etui-Orden-Ehrenzeichen-Abzeichen-/330662327628?pt=Militaria&hash=item4cfd02b54c
Danny70 Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 If the EKs are good then someone got a deal. The auction was for the case only - no EK's included! I know very little about cases (and even less about jewellers custom cases), but this one doesn't look like a period example to me. It looks more like a converted jewellery or cutlery case. Then again, of course, I could be wrong....
TacHel Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 ...but this one doesn't look like a period example to me. It looks more like a converted jewellery or cutlery case. Then again, of course, I could be wrong.... Then we'll be many in the group, I was thinking the very same thing... :whistle:
PKeating Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Look at the unevenness of the lining next to the edges of the case itself.
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 Most of these cases are cutlery. All you need to do is some hobby handywork on the interior, glue a small badge or EK pic to the outside of the lid.... and whammo!
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 8, 2012 Author Posted January 8, 2012 This guy even says its a copy... and check out the price!!!! http://www.ebay.de/itm/Etui-Eisernes-Kreuz-1-Klasse-Dachbodenfund-Konvolut-Orden-Abzeichen-1WK-Lot-/220924395397?pt=Militaria&hash=item33701ebf85
Paul R Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Wow... looks like a few folks did not read the information.
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 30, 2012 Author Posted July 30, 2012 This one is pretty bad.... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Prasentationsetui-fur-das-Eisernes-Kreuz-In-eiserner-Zeit-Etui-Orden-ek1-ek2-ek-/130734404313?pt=Militaria&hash=item1e7060b2d9
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 30, 2012 Author Posted July 30, 2012 Well, the Kipp label torpedoes it... I called the firm... they never sold anything like this, it is according to the grandson of H Kipp for small spoons or knives... not medals ;-)
paul wood Posted July 30, 2012 Posted July 30, 2012 Well, the Kipp label torpedoes it... I called the firm... they never sold anything like this, it is according to the grandson of H Kipp for small spoons or knives... not medals ;-) There is certainly a sense of Deja vu, haven't we seen this before. Paul
Mervyn Mitton Posted July 30, 2012 Posted July 30, 2012 Chris - couple of points - my German is not good. 1. Is this an original box for the firm - or, have they added the label ? 2. How was the Iron Cross applied to the lid ? 3. They appear to have had a plastic inside box made and then covered it to match the lid. Or, is it all false ? 4. How genuine are the medals ? Dependent on what you say , then surely this is a total case of fraud through deception. This being the case then the German Police and ebay should be informed ? Surely, as the World's leading Militaria Forum we have a duty to use our knowledge for the benefit of Members and the public ? Mervyn
TacHel Posted July 30, 2012 Posted July 30, 2012 The medals are not part of the deal. You can tell the EK was crudely stenciled on the lid. And Chris confirmed with the firm they never ever made this... Like Mervyn says, a clear case of fraud. Chris, you going to contact eBay?
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 31, 2012 Author Posted July 31, 2012 Hi, no point in contacting ebay... Boxes like this were not issue, they were privately bought... or the vet took a cutlery box and made one for himself... ergo... if made in 1920 or 2010... it is a "private piece"... The seller makes no statement about age.... you are buying what you see... So... technically, no fraud...
Paul C Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Whoever altered the case did a preaty decent job. I would pay someone to make a case like that for me to hold some of my medal groups and medal bars.
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 31, 2012 Author Posted July 31, 2012 veeeeeery easy to do.... there are a couple of cases like that in most junk shops...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 31, 2012 Author Posted December 31, 2012 Another one... http://www.ebay.de/itm/altes-seltenes-Doppel-Etui-BOX-fur-Orden-EK-1-2-Eisernes-Kreuz-Iron-Cross-/221170094713?pt=Militaria&hash=item337ec3d279
christerd Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 Puhh , When I read his feedback I can see he sold fake boxes for more then 10 000 Euro and probably not one of the Etuis sold was real !! A good business indeed , most seems to be old cutlery boxes often seen sold for one or two Euros. He has acouple of negative feedback but most people is probably ashamed for being fooled and dont say anything...... One guy giving neg feedback got the answer " He is from Chile and dont understand anything....." As you said its a sucker born every minute Christer
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 31, 2012 Author Posted December 31, 2012 He is careful to not say they are period WW2 boxes... and it does not say the crosses are included.... so technically he is in the green... but he relies on people "believing"
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 30, 2013 Author Posted January 30, 2013 This would be not bad if he had left the outside blank... of course, the materiel is probably a give away.... but it is geting closer.... the major difference, it is all new... not an old cutlery box redone for awards... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Etui-fur-EK-1914-ohne-Inhalt-/360579541171?pt=Militaria&hash=item53f43728b3
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Reamed again.... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Extrem-seltenes-Orden-Etui-fur-Ur-Opas-Kriegsorden-EK1-EK2-Frontkampfer-Kreuz-/300881915147?pt=Militaria&hash=item460df5ad0b
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 31, 2013 Author Posted May 31, 2013 Its like watching a train wreck happening.... fake inside and a simple postcard stuck inside the lid... and at EUR116 at the moment !?!?!?! Where do they find brain dead buyers like this???? http://www.ebay.de/itm/Prasentationsetui-fur-Eisernes-Kreuz-Abzeichen-Orden-Ehrenzeichen-Etui-ek-vwa-/140981125273?pt=Militaria&hash=item20d3214099
Danny70 Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Simply unbelieveable! €171.90 Still, you have to hand it to the guy, he isn't even making the effort anymore, they are poorly made conversions and people are still falling over themselves to give him money for them. I'll bet he cannot believe his luck - buy a cheap case at a junk shop, maybe an hour (at most) adding new inserts, a couple of photographs, plenty of fools.... money in the bank! Edited May 31, 2013 by Danny70
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 3, 2013 Author Posted August 3, 2013 Another sucker... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Etui-fur-ein-ek-und-ek2-Ordensetui-fur-Eisernes-Kreuz-Orden-Ehrenzeichen-medal-/111126560585?pt=Militaria&hash=item19dfa8bf49 CTRL + Q to Enable/Disable GoPhoto.it
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 4, 2013 Author Posted August 4, 2013 Wow... EUR208 !!!! Where does he find such idiots!!!!!!????????
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