Eric Stahlhut Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 hi, here's one i am fairly sceptical about-- when i ordered it, i presumed (from the description) that this item would be a period field-adapted FA1 with the hinge, pin, and catch removed. instead, i received a factory made, vaulted cross that never had a pin. it's of non magnetic (brass or bronze) and is in mint condition. has anyone seen a similar example for sale? is this a known fake?? it's possible that it could be a good piece in mint condition, but the odds are against that... http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2012/post-4736-0-40065000-1347907175.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2012/post-4736-0-91385700-1347907201.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hello Eric; Mint condition...but with hard scuff marks on the "F" and crown???? The lacquer really gives the obverse a melty look to it. Hmmmmm....I have never come across a OK1 sew-on version, and there may be a OK1 sew-on versions, but I don't think this one is period. But what do others think of this version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 yeah, i guess the term 'mint' was a stretch...can i amend it to 'unworn'? this item comes from a source that i have always considered to be beyond reproach, but you know how it goes....caveat emptor! claudius, thanks very much for the observations, and i look forward to further insights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Much easier to make one like this than one with a pin and hook....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Very unusual, never seen one like it, but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) here is the cross compared to a few known examples (both official and private purchase)... and the result is somewhat encouraging. i found a close match to a screwback example, which is most likely post-ww1 or ww2 private purchase. cross has same dimensions, is made of same brass/copper/bronze metal, and the laquer is same. the only mismatch is on the right part of the 'A'. the cross in question seems to have an 'A' that is a bit thinner. there may be hope yet, though! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2012/post-4736-0-99681100-1347987232.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2012/post-4736-0-00937600-1347987293.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2012/post-4736-0-14576900-1347987348.jpg (the matching cross is on the upper left) Edited September 18, 2012 by Eric Stahlhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 It's interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I dont buy it.... The sew on EKs had holes in silver... no big deal when thread rubs on it... These are blackened... let the thread rub in it and in a couple of months the black on the corners would be rubbed off leaving a funny looking cross indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I dont buy it.... The sew on EKs had holes in silver... no big deal when thread rubs on it... These are blackened... let the thread rub in it and in a couple of months the black on the corners would be rubbed off leaving a funny looking cross indeed.... Chris...do you have examples of EK1 sew ons? Or any other metal sew on badge? I would like a quick peek at a couple of them. I have a thought about sew ons but need to see some other examples before exploring it further. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) These are blackened... let the thread rub in it and in a couple of months the black on the corners would be rubbed off leaving a funny looking cross indeed.... but chris, weren't there many, many, many sew on badges (that didn't have loops on the back) used during ww1 and especially the freikorps era...hmm? also, not all ek1s had the holes drilled in the silver frame. some were done on the core--but that isn't pertinent to this topic, i guess p.s. and you are right, many of those painted sew on freikorps badges did not fare well, i have a moderate amount of worn examples which wouldn't look so hot on a uniform if they were to be reattached... Edited September 19, 2012 by Eric Stahlhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I'm not sold on it either. Unless there is some ironclad provenance with it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Eric, the details look really soft and while similar, not as sharp as any of your other examples to my eyes. As an aside, nice collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Chris...do you have examples of EK1 sew ons? Or any other metal sew on badge? I would like a quick peek at a couple of them. Hi, I once had a cross that had the goodies on the back removed and had small holes drilles in each of the corners... IMHO not practicle at all, although there would be no dis-coloring of silver rubbed by thread. There are also examples if sew on with loops on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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