Uncategorised Help with Ribbonbar

[Thierry]

Bonjour,

What's the 4th medal in the medalbar (maybe Russian order) ?

- 1914 EK-II,

- Lippische MVK,

- Hamburgische Hanseatenkreuz,

- ???,

- Hindenburg Kreuz.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Thierry

[redeagleorder]

Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander?

[lambert]

Before the Hindenburg Kreuz? do not think, foreign orders have to be after the Orders and national medals?

a guess : Order of the Red Eagle ..

Edited September 1, 2014 by lambert

[Paul C]

General yes, but it was usually up to the wearer.

[dedehansen]

Hello Thierry,

could you please post a closeup only from the medal bar

and without spoiling the scan ?!

I don´t think that it is an RAO X.

Regards

Andreas

[lambert]

I researched a bit. The name on the photo above came to (Otto Bernhard Hermann KOETZOLD 1894-1944)

http://gedbas.genealogy.net/person/show/1144025624

SS-Obersturmfuhrer Hermann Koetzold: Sturmabt. Rossbach

Hermann Koetzold

* 7. May 1894 in Witten/Ruhr, as second of three children to Bernhard and Helene Koetzold

Graduated from high school in Witten in 1912
Student of medicine at Marburg
Military Service Reichsheer as volunteer 2. August 1914 – 20. January 1919
Leutnant d.R. and Batterieführer 27. January 1916
Theater of operations West, Luxemburg, Belgium, France, and in the occupied Russian territories
Wounded by poison gas
Awards: EK II, EK I, black wound badge, Hanseatic Cross Hamburg, Merit Cross Lippe, Hungarian War Service Medal with Crown and Swords
Student of medicine for an interim semester (enrolled 7. February 1919 – 25. Mai 1920)
Freikorps 1. April 1919 – 30. January 1920 (Baltic provinces)
Awards: Baltic Cross, Awaloff Cross, Annen Order IV. Class
After the death of his father in early 1920 Hermann took over his book shop in Witten.
Active and passive resistance against French Ruhr occupation in April 1923, leading to 4 months incarceration and eviction.
Worked for J.F. Lehmanns Verlag in Munich 10. October – 30. November 1923.
SA member 15. Oct. - 9. Nov. 1923 (Bataillon Rossbach), active participant in the Munich Putsch
Returned to Ruhr in December 1923
More passive resistance resulting in a one year sentence in absence (escaped to unoccupied Germany).
Worked for Velhagen & Klasing in Bielefeld 12. May – 15. September 1924 to return to Witten upon retreat of the French
Founding member of the NSDAP Ortsgruppe Witten in April 1925 (NSDAP #41233)
Founding member of the Stahlhelm Witten mid 1925
Left the Stahlhelm late 1925, because it supported the DNVP
Re-joined the SA in 1926
Engaged 2. April 1926 and married Irmgard née Völker 25. October 1927
Daughter Hannelore born 4. March 1929
Daughter Margret born 6. June 1931
Bankruptcy of the bookshop in 1932 (reduction of employees from 12 to 6)
Joined the SS 15. April 1933 (SS #76637)
SS-Sturmmann 18. Juni 1934
Rottenführer 18. August 1934
Daughter Monika born 5. September 1934
Unterscharführer 1. Oktober 1934
Honor Cross for Combatants, SA Sports badge bronce
Scharführer 30. January 1935
Oberscharführer 15. June 1935
Sale of the book shop 1. October 1935
Hauptscharführer 1. January 1936
Untersturmführer and Adjudant 33. SS-Standarte 15. March 1936 (transferred to 5. Standarte immediately)
Paid suspension 5. May 1936
Amtsbürgermeister Kröv, Mosel 1. October 1936
SS-Ehrenring und Julleuchter December 1936
Amtsbürgermeister Lissendorf, Eifel starting late 1937
Obersturmführer 12. September 1937
Bulgarian War Service Medal 3. February 1938
Hauptsturmführer 20. April 1939
Wehrmacht 22. June – 22. July 1939 (Hauptmann d.R.)
Waffen-SS SS-Art.Ers.Rgt. 31. August 1942
Battr.F. Art.Reg./SS-Freiw.Div.”Prinz Eugen” 20. November 1942
Herzegovina and Montenegro since 25. April 1943
Führer d. III./SS-Geb.Art.Rgt. 7 1. November 1943
Stubaf. 20. April 1944
KIA 6. August 1944 Fojnica/Bosnia

But I'm not sure about that .. does not seem to me an Order of St. Anne Class IV ...
Can someone check?

Edited September 2, 2014 by lambert

[Claudio]

Strange... Saint Anna Order should have red enamels (see http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._Anna) ... Maybe on black & white pictures it seems white but in reality it's red, like some yellow ribbons on b&w pictures look very dark...

[Thierry]

Bonjour,

Thanks all for reponse.

Hermann Koetzold award Blut Orden Nr 1190.

After research I can't know what Medal it is.

Could it be a medal to a Freikorps ?

Crdl

Thierry

[lambert]

gentleman's

I could expand a little more photo Group medals, hope it helps.

Edited September 4, 2014 by lambert

[lambert]

Bonjour,

Thanks all for reponse.

Hermann Koetzold award Blut Orden Nr 1190.

After research I can't know what Medal it is.

Could it be a medal to a Freikorps ?

Crdl

Thierry

Hi Thierry .

There are some medals associations like veterans, but I'm sure that's not her.

http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/c/weimarer-republik

I looked in every site I know and have not found anything yet.

I'm sure that information on the Order of St. Anna is wrong, is another Order.

Lambert

[Schießplatzmeister]

gentleman's

I could expand a little more photo Group medals, hope it helps.

perto.jpg

Hello Lambert:

This looks like it could possibly be a Hungarian Order of Merit with Swords.

It should be behind the "Hindenburg Cross" because it is a foreign award, but sometimes groups were not mounted properly.

Best regards,

[Thierry]

Bonjour,

The photo was taken between june 1935 and january 1936, as he wears the rank badges SS Oscha.

- Annen Order : translation different order (bing translator).

The medal isn't possible Hungarian Order of Merit with Swords (It seems to me that the swords were added in 1939).

Crdl

Thierry

[lambert]

Hello Thierry.

found a "suspicious" possible.
See, it's very similar to the Medal of Ordenspange however, no record of it will have been awarded this medal. (Preussen Roter Adler Orden)

Lambert

[P.F.]

Perhaps it's the Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander, 5th Class with Swords.

[dedehansen]

or this one ?

Hungarian Order of Merit

Regards

Andreas

[Thierry]

Bonjour,

The centre looks nothing like Hungarian Order of Merit (It seems to me that the swords were added in 1939) or Bulgarian Order of St Alexander (

ring on the picture of a half Crown or flower for the Bulgarian order).

But Hungarian Order more like (cross and swords)

Thierry

[der-hase-fee]

Thank you all for your contributions !

Edited December 2, 2014 by der-hase-fee