medalnet Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Did you guys see this picture at the upcoming Hermann Historica auction?Lot No. 6159Geschenkfotodes Bahnhofsvorstehers 1.Klasse Kr?ger im Berliner Hauptbahnhof. Uniformbrustbild mit angelegten Ordensdekorationen (21 Orden). Im vergoldeten Stellrahmen mit geschliffener Glasscheibe. 14,5 x 25 cm. [attachmentid=33197]Mr. Kr?ger must have run a tight shift at the main train station in Berlin. Certainly a very popular travel destination those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Run a train station that visiting Royals arrive in and collect hardware?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Run a train station that visiting Royals arrive in and collect hardware??You got it. I guess there is a lot of bowing involved, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 You got it. I guess there is a lot of bowing involved, too.... which would have been an almost natural consequence considering the weight of those orders on his chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGibbs Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I work in the railways here in the UK and I bet he's not got anything on my old boss.... [oooooh now now - bitchy! ]Still thanks for drawing it to my attention, nice job to have had I bet, and nice photo too!RegardsMatt Gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 (edited) You sure he's not a retired Field grade officer who needed a second job to supplement his pension. Its all about being in the right place at the right time. Is there any chance we can get a run down on the orders displayed? JDan Murphy Edited April 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Stay tuned for the list of his decorations tonight !!!! Paul was able to find him. Based on his comment Mr. Kr?ger should have worn his full medal bar in a full circle arround his chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 (edited) Per the German Orders Almanac 1908/09 (if you don't have this book for researching German officers and civilians then you are at a lose (just PM me)) here is a list of Frdr. Kreuger's awards:Frdr. KreugerAnhalt - Albert the Baer Knight 2nd with CrownBaden ? Zaehringer Lion Knight 1stBraunschweig ? House Order Henry the Lion Knight 2ndHessen-Darmstadt ? Philip Order Knight 2nd with CrownLippe-Detmold - Cross 4th classMecklenburg - Merit Cross 2nd classOldenburg ? House Order PFL Knight 2nd Prussia ? Red Eagle Order 4th classReuss older Line ? Civil Honor Cross 3rd classSaxony Kingdom ? Albert Order Knight 2ndSaxe Weimar? White Falcon Knight 2ndSaxe Coburg Gotha? Ernestine House Order Knight 2ndSchaumburg ? Honor Cross 4th classSchwartzburg ? Honor Cross 3rd classWaldeck ? Merit Cross 3rd classWuerttemberg ? Friedrich Order Knight 2ndForeign Awards:Britain -Victoria Order 4th classBulgaria ? Civil Merit Order Commander CrossDenmark ? Danebrog Order Knight CrossGreece ? Order of the Redeemer Commander CrossJapan ? Order of the Rising Sun 5th classItaly ? Order of the Italian Crown Knight CrossLuxemburg ? Order of the Oaken Crown Knight CrossPortugal ? Order of Christ Knight CrossRumania ? Crown of Rumania Officer CrossRussia ? Order of St. Anne 3rd classRussia ? Order of St. Stanislaw 3rd classSweden ? Order of Wasa Knight 2ndSerbia ? Order fo Takowo Officer CrossTurkey ? Medschidie Order 4th classIf anyone sees any translation error please correct them. I will post his actuall listing when I get home. Edited April 5, 2006 by Paul Chepurko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Very impressive medal bar. It's strange that the others medals are not under the medal bar. Does anyone have an explanation.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 You got it. I guess there is a lot of bowing involved, too.That among other things. This is the guy who would have to arrange for baggage to be forwarded to the correct hotel on time (or receive it), smooth ruffled feathers if there were delays, missed connections, and all that can go wrong on a trip or vacation. If things went went smoothly the guy probably got rewarded by some of the lesser beings in an entourage, and if things went badly...he probably got to face the wrath of others directly.I don't know if this guy deserved the medals he's wearing, or what he was given. Any of his brothers in arms who worked with and ran the trains for the military however, had a very important role in the scheme of things, and if they wore military awards, chances are they did something far more important than shovel another load of gravel for ballast under a railway sleeper.In the German military, the guys who oversaw building and functioning of trains and making schedules work were often "invisible" in the greater social context, but for making things work and on time....these were the real movers and shakers.Starting with the Schileffen Plan and it's dependancy on the trains running on time and keeping a tightly timed schedule for mobilization, the Army used it's best and brightest "brains." The glory boys might ride horses, and fancy uniforms, but without the trains moving troops and hauling supplies, the drive into France (and Russia) would have been far different than things turned out.This guy and his brothers running the military trains were what made the Germans army able to do what it did in WWI.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) I just realized that our friend made a mistake by filling out those forms send back to the publisher of the Ordensalmanach (We know that they send out a questionnaire in order to create this book?!). He only claimed to have the Oldenburg House Order P-F-L knight 2nd class (OldV3b), but actually had the Knight second class with CROWN (1st position on medal bar). Yet his knight second class of the Hessian Order of Philip is not with but rather without Crown (3rd position on medal bar)Also, it is hard to see, but his Knight Cross 2nd Class of the Saxe-Weimar Order of the White Falcon is this type:[attachmentid=33311][attachmentid=33312] Edited April 5, 2006 by medalnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 Looking at this even more...he is wearing a knight cross of the Anhalt Order of Albrecht the Bear (pretty much on the very right side), but claimed to have had the knight 2nd class with crown. Well, maybe he got it after 1902?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Interesting thread...What is one of the decoration worn as "Einzelbandsspange" (see picture)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 That is his Mecklenburg - Merit Cross 2nd class, the silver one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Shouldn't he also have at least an EKII or EKI for dodging the bullet of angry travelers missing bags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 This is one of my favorite "Field Marshal" ribbon bars:[attachmentid=33379]Only, of course, he wasn't:[attachmentid=33380]Hmmm.... Oberleutnant der Landwehr in 1914 withMecklenburg Griffin-KnightW?rttemberg Friedrich-Knight 1stBaden Z?hringen Lion-Knight 1stSaxon Albert-Knight 2ndBunswick House-4thPrussian XXAustro-Hungarian Franz Joseph-Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Dr. Karl Beutin was Ministerialsekret?r of the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Ministry of Extrnal Affairs and...Secretary of the Mecklenburg-Schwerin ORDERS CHANCERY[attachmentid=33381]He got HISfor processing OTHER PEOPLE'S awards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 It is quite amazing how many decorations those Landwehr or reserve officers got. Basically every war game with a friendly state was like "medal-Christmas" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 On 04/04/2006 at 15:03, medalnet said: Lot No. 6159 Geschenkfoto des Bahnhofsvorstehers 1.Klasse Kr?ger im Berliner Hauptbahnhof. Uniformbrustbild mit angelegten Ordensdekorationen (21 Orden). Im vergoldeten Stellrahmen mit geschliffener Glasscheibe. 14,5 x 25 cm. Did anyone here end up buying this lovely picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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