One of the rarest EK Awards...

[Chris Boonzaier]

Rick woulda flipped over this... A Black ribboned EK for service on the homefront.... quite a bit rarer than a white ribbon cross....

[arb]

Chris,

The recipient of such an uncommon award as that deserves a name.

C a r l Albert Ziehl, born 26.06.1868 in Flensburg.  He was a customs official in various locations in the north of Germany.

Dates of rank:

Hptm.d.L.  16.06.1911  Oberlt.  14.11.1903 and Sek.Lt. 24.07.1894.  He was initially a Sek.Lt.d.R. of Füsilier R. 86

also, the document is signed by

Gerhard Snethlage  (26.05.1863-00.00.1940)

15.10.14-22.11.18     Chef d. St. d. stellv. Gen. Komdo. d. II. AK

20.05.14  in Genehm. seines Abschiedsgesuchs m. Pens. u. d. Erlaubn. z. Tr. d. Regts. Unif. z. Disp. gestellt

01.10.12-20.05.14  Kom. d. Feldart. R. 82  (Rastenburg)

 Andy

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi Andy,

Thanks, Gerhard Snethlage  sounds like a character from Harry Potter! :-)

[Farkas]

Hi Andy

to me, the knowledge is Harry Potter standard too.

On 05/12/2018 at 17:15, arb said:

Chris,

The recipient of such an uncommon award as that deserves a name.

C a r l Albert Ziehl, born 26.06.1868 in Flensburg.  He was a customs official in various locations in the north of Germany.

Dates of rank:

Hptm.d.L.  16.06.1911  Oberlt.  14.11.1903 and Sek.Lt. 24.07.1894.  He was initially a Sek.Lt.d.R. of Füsilier R. 86

also, the document is signed by

Gerhard Snethlage  (26.05.1863-00.00.1940)

15.10.14-22.11.18     Chef d. St. d. stellv. Gen. Komdo. d. II. AK

20.05.14  in Genehm. seines Abschiedsgesuchs m. Pens. u. d. Erlaubn. z. Tr. d. Regts. Unif. z. Disp. gestellt

01.10.12-20.05.14  Kom. d. Feldart. R. 82  (Rastenburg)

 Andy

tony

[ixhs]

Für Heimatverdienste means he got the IC on non-combatant ribbon. Würde zu einem Offizier im Kriegsbekleidungsamt passen.

[Chris Boonzaier]

2 hours ago, ixhs said:

Für Heimatverdienste means he got the IC on non-combatant ribbon. Würde zu einem Offizier im Kriegsbekleidungsamt passen.

Hi,

Military Personnel received the  Cross on a Normal Ribbon with the Vermerk Heimatverdiesnt or verdienst in der Heimat they did not receive a White ribbon. Unlike 1870 the white ribbon 1914 is usually always a civilian. The Heimat Verdienst on black ribbon is usually for ausbilder, commanders of an ersatz Bataillon, Artillery Park etc etc... on this example the ribbon is actually specified.... They are way scarcer than a white ribbon....

[Ralph A]

Oh, thank you. I hoped one of those would turn up one day.

[dond]

First a document and now a bar. I wonder how many people said it was a put together.....

[Ralph A]

No one ever did. I got it from one of our fellow Contemptible's of high regard, who lamented that it had no award document. Now, another is enjoying it, who is building a nice collection of NC bars.

It's been shown many times on this forum.

[Paul R]

That is a killer document and bar.  Chris- How many of these have you seen?

[Chris Boonzaier]

9 hours ago, Paul R said:

That is a killer document and bar.  Chris- How many of these have you seen?

Hi, I have probably had well over a thousand EK docs, the Black Ribbon Home service ones I have actively sought out and bought when I have seen them, I think I have about 4 in my files... and that was done with a lot of effort.

[Paul R]

You have one hell of a collection.  Of your 1000+ documents, how many of them were specifically for NC (White ribbon) variation?

[tompress]

Nice doc

[Chris Boonzaier]

Here is an article covering the 3 variations of non Combatant.... http://www.kaiserscross.com/286801/640801.html

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi, here is another one, although the homefront service is not specifically mentioned....

[arb]

Chris,

Another nice document.  Here are a few dates of possible interest.  I could find no mention of him in the 1914-1918 IR 111 regimental history.

Andy

Gustav Tilger  (29.11.1862-29.03.1925)

22.05.15               als Kom. d. I. Ers./Inf. R. 111 d. Char. als Major erhalt.

1914                       Kaufmann in Leipzig

23.03.01               Hptm.d.R. d. FR 40

18.11.93               Prem.Lt. d.R. d. FR 40

14.08.84               Sek.Lt. d.R. d. FR 40

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi Andy,

thanks for the Info... it is horrible to reach that age where you think "ahhh... and old bugger. would never have made it near the front"... then realize you are just a couple of years off yourself....

[Leutwein]

Hello,

 

I think here´s another example for black ribboned EK for service on the homefront but in this case for a marine-guy.

Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II. Otto

He was member of "Schiffsbesichtigungskommission Hamburg" and he received the black ribboned EK and "Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz" in December 1915. Finally the department celebrated the receipt of both awards for Marine-Oberingenieur Otto at the end of December, which was called "Ordensfest". It exist also one document which is connected to that celebration.

There is mentioned in a lyrical notion for what Otto received both awards:

"Hgb(= Hamburg) 28.12.1915

Hier mit meiner Schuppen-Horde. Schweißgebadet bei der Arbeit, Als mit Hebel, Krahn und Balken, Wir die 100000 Dinge die im kunterbuten Wirwar Man uns in den Schoß geworfen Sehr korrekt zur Ordnung brachten"

We can translate that lyrical parts that he was responsible for some gaffs. His principal duty was to handling one hundred thousands things (I think military goods) and to put them in order!

For that duty Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II. Otto received the black ribboned EK and "Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg"

 

So in my opion another nice example for black ribboned EK for service on the homefront ?

 

In case of the department "Schiffsbesichtigungskommission" I found below informations:

 

"Bei der Mobilmachung ergänzte sich die Schiffsbesichtigungskommission durch einen Stab von Offizieren des Beurlaubtenstandes der Marine, die in den verschiedenen Häfen als Requisitionsoffiziere, Ausrüstungsleiter, Bemannungsleiter und Transportleiter die Ausrüstung und Bemannung der Hilfsschiffe nach den dafür gegebenen Vorschriften durchführten. Technische Mitglieder der Kommission prüften die Betriebsfähigkeit der Maschinenanlagen und Sicherheitsvorrichtungen, überwachten die technischen Einrichtungsarbeiten und sorgten für das Vorhandensein der erforderlichen Betriebsmaterialien. Sanitätsoffiziere und Verwaltungsbeamte richteten den Lazarett- und Verwaltungsdienst ein."

"In the mobilization, the Ship Inspection Commission was supplemented by a staff of officers from the Navy's leave of absence, who carried out the equipment and manning of the auxiliary vessels in the various ports as requisition officers, equipment managers, crew managers and transport managers in accordance with the regulations. Technical members of the Commission checked the operational capability of the machinery and safety equipment, supervised the technical equipment work and ensured the presence of the necessary operating materials. Paramedics and administrative officers set up the hospital and administrative service."

Source:

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/deutsch/archiv/weltkampf/wer0723.html

 

 

 

In 1918 Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II receveid the "FAK2" for combatants! Otto was all the time member of SBK and technical member of shipbuilding in E (Emden?) according to "Ehrenrangliste der Kaiserlichen Deutschen Marine 1914-1918". It seems that he never had left Germany during the wartime.

Best regards

 

Karsten

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Leutwein