Alterhase Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Prussia: Royal Houseorder of Hohenzollern, Cross of the Commander with swords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 It seems to be a Wagner produced cross in gold. Very rare and nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Ach du Lieber, can you show us more of that beauty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Wow, what a beauty - and what a rarity! This one really deserves better pictures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Are there numbers known ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 The Ludvigsen volume gives award numbers for both pre- (mainly 1860s/1870s) and WW1 awards by years, the Geile work on Prussian WW1 awards gives the WW1 awards, those to the army only, with names, ranks, and dates. However, we have to keep in mind that from late 1916 on, they were produced and usually awarded in silver gilt! Once, when I had a damaged example, I discussed this very issue with Daniel Krause, who assumed there were ca. thirty commanders and roughly a dozen grand commander crosses in real gold awarded in WW1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 wht about during the exile of the emperor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, David M said: wht about during the exile of the emperor? We could find in the Doorn archive: HOH2bX 27.1.1924 von Dommes, General á la suite Generalmajor, Potsdam 25.8.1925 Mewes, Flügeladjutanten Major 14.3.1926 von Kleist, Flügeladjutant Oberst 24.12.1927 von Unruh, Generalmajor, Regensburg 27.1.1928 von Sell, Freiherr HOH2aX 15.6.1928 Graf von Platen-Hallermund, Vizeadmiral und Hofmarschall, Berlin With a total of 151 persons over all classes to be found and a total of 349 awards declared by the Royal House of Hohenzollern towards German authorities in 134 we can estimate a number of about 10 HOH2a/bX. Two of them (v. Gontard and Mewes) are to be seen here: Edited August 18, 2019 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Thanks for these most valuable additions! However, the crosses awarded in Doorn era would probably have been gilt only, made or supplied by Godet, and came in another style of boxes. See also the excellent article Die Vergabe des Königlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern durch Wilhelm II. im Doorner Exil | geschichtlich – bildlich – statistisch by Tilo Wahl, published in the DGO yearbook 2012, pages 2 to 22. Edited August 18, 2019 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I have an entry that on 27-01-1928 L.A.C.O. Müldner von Mülnheim Major a.D. and Referent bei der Generalverwaltung unter Belassung seines Dienstverhältnisses als persönlicher Adjutant des Kronprinzen received the HOH2bXaR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 hours ago, David M said: I have an entry that on 27-01-1928 L.A.C.O. Müldner von Mülnheim Major a.D. and Referent bei der Generalverwaltung unter Belassung seines Dienstverhältnisses als persönlicher Adjutant des Kronprinzen received the HOH2bXaR I have him too, but didn´t mention him because of the am Ring. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 What is the difference between HOH2a and HOH2b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: What is the difference between HOH2a and HOH2b? Whether the decoration comes with or without a four-pointed star (plaque in Dutch). Kind regards, Laurentius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, laurentius said: Whether the decoration comes with or without a four-pointed star (plaque in Dutch). Thank you Laurentius. So, HOH2a is the Komturkreuz with Star and HOH2b is the Komturkreuz without the Star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 18/08/2019 at 18:19, Komtur said: Two of them (v. Gontard and Mewes) are to be seen here: Who are the two naval officers on this photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I do believe the star of the HoH2a is sixpointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 hours ago, David M said: I do believe the star of the HoH2a is sixpointed Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Because there is no grandcross, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, David M said: Because there is no grandcross, right? There is the Großkomturkreuz and the Stern der Großkomture, classes quite similar to a grandcross. But the Hausorden von Hohenzollern (1. Abteilung) has some anomalies. Whereas most of the grandcross (or first) classes of German orders belong of both, cross and star, the Großkomturkreuz and the Stern der Großkomture des Hausordens von Hohenzollern were single awards. Indeed the single Stern der Großkomture often was awarded after the Black Eagle Order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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