JohanH Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Hello! Do any of the members have close up pictures of the jubilee medal of 1897? Preferrably the norwegian variant with red enamel. I have seen two types of pattern behind the enamel, dots and a ”sunray” type of pattern. The norwegian medal was only awarded 49 times so it is strange with two different patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Morton & Eden sold a Norwegian type several years ago, seem to recall that it was a dot behind enamel pattern variety. That image may be available directly from them or on-line. Don't remember seeing any 'sunray' examples within the past 20-30 years though Kai Meyer may have had one in the 1970's. There are 2 types for Swedes, light blue enamel [and ribbon] and dark blue enamel [and ribbon]. The light blue [typical Swedish color] honored royals attending the celebration and dark blue went mainly to royal household staff. Neither of these have champlevé work under the enamel unlike the Norwegian variety. Notes in the large Swedish book published in the 1950's provide the number of awards--sorry forgot the name of the book and author, it's in storage. There might be about 230 light and 260 dark examples issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 The one sold at Morton & Eden 2014 was a dotted one. So you have seen the "sunray" examples? The award numbers for Oscar II Jubileumsminnestecken 1897 was as following: Light blue: 232 Dark blue: 268 Red: 49 (12 went to the royal family) Apparently it exists some faked red ones, where they have used a blue enameled one and re-done the enamel in red. Could it be "Nordiska riddareordnar och dekorationer" by Arvid Bergman you are thinking of? Another book that shows some of the recipients by picture is "Kungl. svenska riddareordnarna jämte konung Oscar II:s jubileums-minnestecken" by Robert Södermark 1907. Here is my so far only piece, awarded to a female: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Dear fellow collectors, here is a picture of the medalbar of the last prince of Waldeck-pyrmont, Prince Friedrich Adolf. He was the brother of the Dutch Queen-regent Emma. He doubtlessly had more international familymembers, most likely thje reason he also received the jubilee medal. It is the last medal on the medalbar, sadly, I took the picture from the wrong angle ?. I know that there are pictures on the internet of the bar, where you can see the medal better. In another case in the museum was another version of the jubilee medal, on a female bowribbon, which most likely belonged to his wife. Kind regards, laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsb001 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I can only help with the miniatures if this is of any interest, the Carlmann type (left) and the Tostrup type (right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micke Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Here are one. Its not mine. 9 hours ago, laurentius said: Dear fellow collectors, here is a picture of the medalbar of the last prince of Waldeck-pyrmont, Prince Friedrich Adolf. He was the brother of the Dutch Queen-regent Emma. He doubtlessly had more international familymembers, most likely thje reason he also received the jubilee medal. It is the last medal on the medalbar, sadly, I took the picture from the wrong angle ?. I know that there are pictures on the internet of the bar, where you can see the medal better. In another case in the museum was another version of the jubilee medal, on a female bowribbon, which most likely belonged to his wife. Kind regards, laurentius That medal with the blue, seraphimeblue, ribbon was given to 232 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 I have never seen a miniature of these. Only heard about them. Are they in your collection? 3 hours ago, Micke said: Here are one. Its not mine. That medal with the blue, seraphimeblue, ribbon was given to 232 people. That is the one from Morton & Eden auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micke Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, JohanH said: I have never seen a miniature of these. Only heard about them. Are they in your collection? That is the one from Morton & Eden auction. No its not in my collectrion. Edited October 10, 2019 by Micke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 I meant the miniatures that Lars showed. My posts got messed up for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsb001 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Yes, both are in my collection, apart from these I've only seen perhaps 2-3 on auctions in the past 30 years. You may see similar examples in the Royal Castle Collection in Stockholm if the chains (Oscar II etc) is still on display. Interesting enough it took me 20 years to find a dark blue example whereas the pale blue can be found in quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micke Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The dark blue, högblått, variant was awarded to the livréet, The staff that working in the royal castle. it was awarded to 268 persons. Its little strange that there are more pale blue then dark blue out there. Because the pale blue, serafimer blå, was given to persons close to the king and was awarded to less people, 232. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Dear fellow collectors, here I have two pictures, one of the medalbar with the jubilee medal clearly visible, and one with the Prince of Waldeck-Pyrmont wearing it on a pre-ww1 medalbar. Kind regards, Laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsb001 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) On 11/10/2019 at 09:17, Micke said: The dark blue, högblått, variant was awarded to the livréet, The staff that working in the royal castle. it was awarded to 268 persons. Its little strange that there are more pale blue then dark blue out there. Because the pale blue, serafimer blå, was given to persons close to the king and was awarded to less people, 232. Actually, if you give it some thoughts it's not that strange. A Royal person or a high ranking person like a prime minister or general would need a miniature group on a frequest basis and all would have at least one miniature group (many would have several), whereas a court servant would not need a miniature group in his civil life at any occations (generally speaking). When on official duty they would wear their full size awards! That's why you do see the miniature Red and Pale Blue badges whereas the Dark Blue miniature is rarer seen! Edited October 13, 2019 by larsb001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thank you for all replies! I´m a bit surprised that no one seem to own a full size in red enamel to show. I´ll let you know when and if I find one for my collection! And if anyone have a tip to where I can find Swedish jubilee medals I would happily listen. Both fullsized and minis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I have some full-sized Swedish jubilee- and commemorative medals that I planned on putting for sale on ebay this winter, because I want to refine my collection. One of them being the dark blue enamelled one mentioned above. Which ones are you looking for in particular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 The ones I need for my collection is the following: Oscar II 1897 - light blue enamel Oscar II 1897 - red enamel Gustaf & Victoria 1906 ( I have the medal but not the ribbon) Gustaf V 1951 Carl XVI Gustaf 1996 Victoria & Daniel 2010 Carl XVI Gustaf 2013 Carl XVI Gustaf 2016 And all the jubilee medals as awarded to women with a bow (except Oscar II 1897 dark blue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micke Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 14/10/2019 at 01:39, larsb001 said: Actually, if you give it some thoughts it's not that strange. A Royal person or a high ranking person like a prime minister or general would need a miniature group on a frequest basis and all would have at least one miniature group (many would have several), whereas a court servant would not need a miniature group in his civil life at any occations (generally speaking). When on official duty they would wear their full size awards! That's why you do see the miniature Red and Pale Blue badges whereas the Dark Blue miniature is rarer seen! Yes you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 Have a look at this beauty I recently got for my collection. Now I need a light blue one to have a complete set of Oscar II jubilee medals of 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvart Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I have seen both the one with dotted surface in the red enamel, like the one right above here and the one from Morton, and one with more like a sun ray pattern in the red enamel. The ones with dotted surfaces are way more common, if common even is a word fitting this red medal, than the one with sun ray. Notice hat the dark blue one also has the dotted surface. A friend of mine is selling a red Oscar with dotted surface. Feel free to send me a PM if it is of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Do you know why there are two variants of the red enameled one? As far as I know all medals where made by C.F. Carlman in Stockholm and I don´t understand why they should have made two different variants when there was so few to be awarded. I suppose all medals was awarded during the same visit to Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micke Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hello I was to Livrustkammaren in the Royal castle in Stockholm. There was two of these medals was shown. one red and one blue mounted for lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Micke said: Hello I was to Livrustkammaren in the Royal castle in Stockholm. There was two of these medals was shown. one red and one blue mounted for lady. Thank you for a great photo! I am quite sure those are the medals that were awarded to Oscar II wife, Queen Sophia of Nassau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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