jaeger7 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hello, I guess I havn't shown this guy here already... ...so I would like to give it a try ! What is this senior NCO (etatmäßiger Feldwebel) of the Garde Jäger Bataillon wearing ? It looks like a crowned royal cypher ? He is wearing a double-award of the Kaiserabzeichen on his right sleeve, so he could either be from the 4th company (Award years 1902+03) or from 2nd Coy (1907+08). The only information I can give is, that there are some more pictures out there with Guard NCOs wearing the same badge. Who will identify it ? Regards jaeger7-de Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Like this one from my collection: Feldwebel of the 2. Kompanie of the Gardejäger Battailion in the Sommer of 1907. Would be interesting to know if other soldiers below the rank of (etatmäßiger) Feldwebel were eligible for this award. GreyC Edited November 7, 2019 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger7 Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 Funny - I do have a picture of him as well... Standing amoung the other Oberjäger of 2nd Coy - but he is the only one wearing the badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Hi, have you tried the SDA for information? GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger7 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Yes, no result... ...no one can identify this badge. But a member showed another Etatmäßiger Feldwebel (Company Sergeant Major) from the 1. Garde-Regiment zu Fuß with this badge. jaeger7-de Edited November 9, 2019 by jaeger7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) So the questions are: is it from a German state or is it from outside Germany? As only Garde soldiers of the rank of Feldwebel are known as yet to have this badge, can we deduce something from this? And if so, what? Could they have been handed out as a reward for representational duties (Garde), eg as part of a Schlosswache or the like? If it is of German origin, could it be a pin handed out by a sovereign of a German state? GreyC Edited November 9, 2019 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger7 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 There are only very few pictures known with this badge. I do know 4 pictures. 3 from Garde Jäger and 1 from 1. GRzF. These three persons are all CSM. Would it be a German badge, someone would have recongnized it yet, I am sure ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Do you have a time frame? My photo is summer 1907 on the day of the Kaiserschießpreis-Competition. And CSM is Etamäßiger Feldwebel? GreyC Edited November 9, 2019 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger7 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 My pictures must be from late 1908 earliest - as he wears the 1907 and 1908 Kaiserabzeichen. I have no date for the 1.GRzF picture. And yes CSM is the British term for Etatmäßiger Feldwebel. I should have posted it in the Feldgrau-Forum - right D. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I think it doesn´t really matter. What would CSM´s of a Guard unit do or be responsible for that warrants such a rare award? I wonder if it is somebodies house order or the like? GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Hello ,the breast insignia looks as a Royal Cypher a G and I behind topped with a crown and the crown is definitively not Prussian . 7 minutes ago, Bayern said: Hello ,the breast insignia looks as a Royal Cypher a G and I behind topped with a crown and the crown is definitively not Prussian . at least not the crown of William II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Hello! Anyway I don´t believe in a "G". But if it is a "G", could it stand for Garde? Just a guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Hi, I´d go along with cypher, but I´d rather say "c" or maybe "e". GreyC Edited November 10, 2019 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Hello! In case of e, why was it written uncapitalized? That makes no sense to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Looks to me like an unofficial 'Geschenk' from a royal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Hi, thanks for your input. I don´t think he´d be allowed to wear anything unofficial, be it royal or not on his uniform, though. But as the specialists in the German medal forum can´t solve the question, it might be foreign, handed out during a visit, or it is from a German reigning aristocrat, celebrating a certain crown jubilee or marriage anniversary, and only certain soldiers of that state were elligble. GreyC Edited June 13, 2020 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I can't help but note the similarities between this mystery badge and the cypher of Carlos I of Portugal, as shown engraved on the detail from an image of a Luger pistol destined for Portugal, below. I cannot give an explanation as to why this might be but I note that Kaiser Wilhelm visited Carlos in Portugal in 1905. Carlos was, of course, assassinated in 1908. Source: https://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/2145KingCarlos00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Hi, thanks for providing this example. Both letters "c" look quite similar. Though there are discernable differences it is well worth looking into the Portuguese possibilities. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger7 Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hello Trooper_D, I did also notice the similarity to the Portugese Cyper ! Therefore I send a request to the Portugese Army Museum (which is a part of the armed forces) but did not even get a reply. I will try to work a bit more in this direction... Regards jaeger7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) It could be Carlos, but the c looks different... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Monogram_of_King_Carlos_I_of_Portugal.svg Edited June 15, 2020 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Puch-up... Any new ideas? I couldn´t find a proof it´s a badge from Carlos I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArHo Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 17/08/2021 at 03:26, The Prussian said: Puch-up... Any new ideas? I couldn´t find a proof it´s a badge from Carlos I Good morning, while I sadly cannot provide any clue on the badge itself, the "C" in my opinion very stongly points to Carola von Wasa-Holstein-Gottorp, Queen of Saxony, as it was in almost the same form (compare the crown, too!) used by Husaren-Regiment 19 on their shoulder boards. She died on 15th December 1907, after which, as I understand, the Regiment used the letter. Info and picture from a pdf with all shoulder board Monograms of which I unfortunately don't know the author... Greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Hello ArHo! That looks very similar! With your permission I will show it in Feldgrau Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArHo Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 hours ago, The Prussian said: Hello ArHo! That looks very similar! With your permission I will show it in Feldgrau Forum. Hi @The Prussian of course, you're welcome! Like I wrote: Info and image from a freely available internet PDF with title "Monogramme 1914-1918 (offiziell und inoffiziell)" and no mentioned author... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Thanks a lot, mate!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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