interesting romanian order

[Igor Ostapenko]

97 mm, 128 gr 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Igor Ostapenko

[922F]

Beautiful Telge piece; at least the corpus remains.  Is star body white gold or platinum?  

[paul wood]

Telge did similar jewelled examples of Bulgarian orders.

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[Alex K]

That is seriously nice, the crown order is one of my favourites

[Igor Ostapenko]

On 05/12/2020 at 00:58, 922F said:

Beautiful Telge piece; at least the corpus remains.  Is star body white gold or platinum?  

Back of star - yellow gold, but front I think silver , letters CC gold 

two these orders was awarded 

 

Queen Elisabeth 

and Queen Marie 

[Igor Ostapenko]

May be not twice- Elisabeth of Romania,  Queen Consort of Greece, daughter of Queen Marie and King Ferdinand with some order 

[Igor Ostapenko]

another interesting Item - order V class with swords russian production 

[paul wood]

Am I going blind? cant see any marks.

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[Carol I]

Indeed a very interesting and quite rare piece. Given the (mis)fortunes of the royal house after the communist takeover, it is not a full surprise that the piece was broken down. It is a pity nevertheless.

The question on the owner(s) of the star remains. The owner was without doubt royal and because of that probably no proper records of the manufacture or award exist. Queen Elisabeth and Princess and later Queen Mary are the most likely recipients. Princess Elisabeth was under age at the death of Telge and probably did not have a pice of her own. But she could have inherited either that of her mother or great aunt. Is her photo dated?

[Bayern]

Telge , I read a time ago advertises his jewels as : Royal Romanian Palace Goldsmith Berlin . He was a jeweller and not a mere manufacturer of Orders and Crosses. His products were quite expensive .

[Igor Ostapenko]

On 05/12/2020 at 14:54, paul wood said:

Telge did similar jewelled examples of Bulgarian orders.

p

No. 
only austrian Rothe and germany Zimmermann makes Bulgarian orders with diamonds 

7 hours ago, Carol I said:

Indeed a very interesting and quite rare piece. Given the (mis)fortunes of the royal house after the communist takeover, it is not a full surprise that the piece was broken down. It is a pity nevertheless.

The question on the owner(s) of the star remains. The owner was without doubt royal and because of that probably no proper records of the manufacture or award exist. Queen Elisabeth and Princess and later Queen Mary are the most likely recipients. Princess Elisabeth was under age at the death of Telge and probably did not have a pice of her own. But she could have inherited either that of her mother or great aunt. Is her photo dated?

This photos of Associated Press from August 1931, wedding of princess Ileana 

Queen Marie have another order, you can see different 

And ... 

Order of Queen Marie lost in Soviet Russia with another diamonds of Queen ?

[Igor Ostapenko]

17 hours ago, Bayern said:

Telge , I read a time ago advertises his jewels as : Royal Romanian Palace Goldsmith Berlin . He was a jeweller and not a mere manufacturer of Orders and Crosses. His products were quite expensive .

??? 

 http://www.capodopere2019.ro/fructiera-lucrat-de-paul-telge-pentru-regele-carol-i-en.html
 

 

[BalkanCollector]

36 minutes ago, Igor Ostapenko said:

WOW, the details on this fruit bowl are out of this world!

[Alex K]

18 minutes ago, BalkanCollector said:

WOW, the details on this fruit bowl are out of this world!

It's certainly a nice place to keep your banana's ?

[Bayern]

Hello Igor, Many thanks for the link about the surtout made by Telge for King Carol I and the pics of the gifts he made for William II , Telge was the Faberge of the Hohenzollerns and.. the Wittelsbachs . 

[BalkanCollector]

12 hours ago, Alex K said:

It's certainly a nice place to keep your banana's ?

We're talking about some very expensive bananas here. ?

[Carol I]

On 14/01/2021 at 07:13, Igor Ostapenko said:

No. 
only austrian Rothe and germany Zimmermann makes Bulgarian orders with diamonds 

This photos of Associated Press from August 1931, wedding of princess Ileana 

Queen Marie have another order, you can see different 

And ... 

Order of Queen Marie lost in Soviet Russia with another diamonds of Queen ?

Thanks Igor for the details. It seems indeed that there are (at least) two different models. Not clear whether Elisabeth's star had dimonds on the motto ribband, but Marie's had diamonds on the arms of the cross, which the Telge piece did not have. And if Marie had the piece in 1931, it was not part of the treasury lost in Soviet Russia. As an anecdote, it was said that Col Boyle recovered the queen's jewels, but not succeeded with the national treasure.

I remeber seeing several years ago an exhibition with the orders of Marie and Ferdinand that had a jewelled Order of St Sava, but no Order of the Crown.

[Igor Ostapenko]

9 minutes ago, Carol I said:

Thanks Igor for the details. It seems indeed that there are (at least) two different models. Not clear whether Elisabeth's star had dimonds on the motto ribband, but Marie's had diamonds on the arms of the cross, which the Telge piece did not have. And if Marie had the piece in 1931, it was not part of the treasury lost in Soviet Russia. As an anecdote, it was said that Col Boyle recovered the queen's jewels, but not succeeded with the national treasure.

I remeber seeing several years ago an exhibition with the orders of Marie and Ferdinand that had a jewelled Order of St Sava, but no Order of the Crown.

Queen Marie of Romania and order of St Sava with diamonds 

princess Maria, Queen of Yougoslavia and order of Karageorge Star with diamonds of Queen ( from Tito’s safe ) 

[Carol I]

8 minutes ago, Igor Ostapenko said:

Thanks for posting this image. I do not have to look again for it.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Carol I

[Igor Ostapenko]

I think this order princess Elisabeth receive from Queen  Elizabeta 

15 minutes ago, Carol I said:

Thanks for posting this image. I do not have to look again for it.

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Edited January 15, 2021 by Igor Ostapenko

[Carol I]

On 15/01/2021 at 10:17, Igor Ostapenko said:

I think this order princess Elisabeth receive from Queen  Elizabeta 

I think this is is rather plausible given the markings on the piece, but it would be strengthened by the photographic evidence with Queen Elisabeth wearing the brilliant star.

Thanks for the additional images of the Order of St Sava.

[Igor Ostapenko]

I know one photographIa of Queen Elisabeta with awards before 1881 year 

I know two photos of Queen with russian order of St. Ekaterina with diamonds ( receive in 1877 ) 

with order Crown of Romania with diamonds I know only this gravure 

Can you help me find photography of Queen with this Order ? 

[Igor Ostapenko]

very nice Item from Paul Telge 

 https://wannenesgroup.com/lots/468-2640-miniatura-in-smalto-con-cornice-in-argento-berlino-fine-del-xix-secolo-firmata-e-bastanier-orafo-p-telge/#
 

but very expensive for me … 

[Igor Ostapenko]

https://www.lyonandturnbull.com/auction/lot/184-a-late-19th-century-german-silver-gilt-enamel-and-diamond-set-table-snuff-box/?lot=239352
 

A LATE 19TH CENTURY GERMAN SILVER GILT, ENAMEL AND DIAMOND SET TABLE SNUFF BOX  
PAUL TELGE, BERLIN

800 standard, of rectangular form, the hinged cover with central oval miniature, possibly Kaiser Wilhelm II, within a rose-cut diamond border, interior gilt, the panels with orange ground enamel and trailing silver foliage strap work detail

Width: 86mm

Note: Miniature by F. Zehngrad