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Indeed a very interesting and quite rare piece. Given the (mis)fortunes of the royal house after the communist takeover, it is not a full surprise that the piece was broken down. It is a pity nevertheless.

The question on the owner(s) of the star remains. The owner was without doubt royal and because of that probably no proper records of the manufacture or award exist. Queen Elisabeth and Princess and later Queen Mary are the most likely recipients. Princess Elisabeth was under age at the death of Telge and probably did not have a pice of her own. But she could have inherited either that of her mother or great aunt. Is her photo dated?

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On 05/12/2020 at 14:54, paul wood said:

Telge did similar jewelled examples of Bulgarian orders.

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7 hours ago, Carol I said:

Indeed a very interesting and quite rare piece. Given the (mis)fortunes of the royal house after the communist takeover, it is not a full surprise that the piece was broken down. It is a pity nevertheless.

The question on the owner(s) of the star remains. The owner was without doubt royal and because of that probably no proper records of the manufacture or award exist. Queen Elisabeth and Princess and later Queen Mary are the most likely recipients. Princess Elisabeth was under age at the death of Telge and probably did not have a pice of her own. But she could have inherited either that of her mother or great aunt. Is her photo dated?

This photos of Associated Press from August 1931, wedding of princess Ileana 

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Queen Marie have another order, you can see different 

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Order of Queen Marie lost in Soviet Russia with another diamonds of Queen 😟

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17 hours ago, Bayern said:

Telge , I read a time ago advertises his jewels as : Royal Romanian Palace Goldsmith Berlin . He was a jeweller and not a mere manufacturer of Orders and Crosses. His products were quite expensive .


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On 14/01/2021 at 07:13, Igor Ostapenko said:

No. 
only austrian Rothe and germany Zimmermann makes Bulgarian orders with diamonds 

This photos of Associated Press from August 1931, wedding of princess Ileana 

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Queen Marie have another order, you can see different 

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And ... 

Order of Queen Marie lost in Soviet Russia with another diamonds of Queen 😟

Thanks Igor for the details. It seems indeed that there are (at least) two different models. Not clear whether Elisabeth's star had dimonds on the motto ribband, but Marie's had diamonds on the arms of the cross, which the Telge piece did not have. And if Marie had the piece in 1931, it was not part of the treasury lost in Soviet Russia. As an anecdote, it was said that Col Boyle recovered the queen's jewels, but not succeeded with the national treasure.

I remeber seeing several years ago an exhibition with the orders of Marie and Ferdinand that had a jewelled Order of St Sava, but no Order of the Crown.

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9 minutes ago, Carol I said:

Thanks Igor for the details. It seems indeed that there are (at least) two different models. Not clear whether Elisabeth's star had dimonds on the motto ribband, but Marie's had diamonds on the arms of the cross, which the Telge piece did not have. And if Marie had the piece in 1931, it was not part of the treasury lost in Soviet Russia. As an anecdote, it was said that Col Boyle recovered the queen's jewels, but not succeeded with the national treasure.

I remeber seeing several years ago an exhibition with the orders of Marie and Ferdinand that had a jewelled Order of St Sava, but no Order of the Crown.

Queen Marie of Romania and order of St Sava with diamonds 

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princess Maria, Queen of Yougoslavia and order of Karageorge Star with diamonds of Queen ( from Tito’s safe ) 

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On 15/01/2021 at 10:17, Igor Ostapenko said:

I think this order princess Elisabeth receive from Queen  Elizabeta 

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I think this is is rather plausible given the markings on the piece, but it would be strengthened by the photographic evidence with Queen Elisabeth wearing the brilliant star.

Thanks for the additional images of the Order of St Sava.

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I know one photographIa of Queen Elisabeta with awards before 1881 year 

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I know two photos of Queen with russian order of St. Ekaterina with diamonds ( receive in 1877 ) 

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with order Crown of Romania with diamonds I know only this gravure 

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Can you help me find photography of Queen with this Order ? 

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A LATE 19TH CENTURY GERMAN SILVER GILT, ENAMEL AND DIAMOND SET TABLE SNUFF BOX  
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800 standard, of rectangular form, the hinged cover with central oval miniature, possibly Kaiser Wilhelm II, within a rose-cut diamond border, interior gilt, the panels with orange ground enamel and trailing silver foliage strap work detail

Width: 86mm

Note: Miniature by F. Zehngrad

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