joe campbell Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 what a wonderful group of contributions here!!mike! fantastic array!!claudio! how do you say "drool" in italiano???don't know how to link to other threads, but this might be nice to attach to "the other iron crosses" thread.great pictures.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted April 30, 2006 Author Share Posted April 30, 2006 (edited) WOW! Thanks Claudio, dond, and Paul for sharing your examples, fantastic crosses! Amazing groups Claudio! A quick question, on the "Vor dem Feinde" bar there seems to be some variation, from the black version to silver. Are both types accepted as wartime, or like the 1st class is one the "war version" and the other "post war version?"Hey Jef, I'm not an expert, but on conservation personally I only go after the active, orange rust. There are a few ways to do that, and there have been some great postings on conservation, I'll try and find some for you man! Here's a post of an amazing 1813 EK II, and towards the bottom of this page rust treatment is talked about, hope this helps man,http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3650&hl=rustKind Regards,Steve Edited April 30, 2006 by stevo4361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 (edited) Hi Steve,Thanks for your kind words. @ Joe: I don't think you can translate "drool" in Italian, but I surely appreciate when collectors like you make such nice compliments on my collectibles.The clasp on my bar looks like silver but it's Black painted, because of the flash.I only saw Black "Vor dem Feinde" clasps.Here's a better picture of the bar.Ciao,Claudio Edited April 30, 2006 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted April 30, 2006 Author Share Posted April 30, 2006 Hi Claudio, Thanks for the better pics and the explanation, the clasps are indeed black, just some have the paint worn off. Thanks!Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 WOW! Thanks Claudio, dond, and Paul for sharing your examples, fantastic crosses! Amazing groups Claudio! A quick question, on the "Vor dem Feinde" bar there seems to be some variation, from the black version to silver. Are both types accepted as wartime, or like the 1st class is one the "war version" and the other "post war version?"Hey Jef, I'm not an expert, but on conservation personally I only go after the active, orange rust. There are a few ways to do that, and there have been some great postings on conservation, I'll try and find some for you man! Here's a post of an amazing 1813 EK II, and towards the bottom of this page rust treatment is talked about, hope this helps man,http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3650&hl=rustKind Regards,Steve Thank you Steve, Thank God, my rusty FA kreuz isn't that bad as that 1813 EK, I cleaned it with a non-aggressive oily liquid. When I look with a magnifying glass, I see tiny holes but I hope oxidation will stops.kind regards,Jef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Some nice crosses you guys have there . I know of at least 8 different variations, here's one of them.KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 Hi Peter, Great cross man, thanks for sharing! On the 8 different variations, I would love to learn more about these crosses, could you please expand on this, time permitting? Would sure appreciate it, love to learn more about these FA crosses, as there doesn't seem to be an abundance of information out there on them. Thanks,Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Thanks Steve, here's another thread on the subject. I'll drop you a pm tomorrow KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 C'mon, Joe, let's see your spiffy single FAK2 W/VDM bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Hi Steve,Here are 8 different versions of the FA Cross 1st class. They can be wiewed in the 112th issue of the Internationales Militaria Magazin (www.vdmedien.de).KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Hi Steve,Here are 8 different versions of the FA Cross 1st class. They can be wiewed in the 112th issue of the Internationales Militaria Magazin (www.vdmedien.de).KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 2nd image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted May 3, 2006 Author Share Posted May 3, 2006 Thanks Peter! This info is fantastic! Thanks for sharing it with me!Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 Hallo Peter, Vielen Dank! That is only the third screw-back FAK1 I have seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 screwback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 nut and disc are made of silver. super piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Gentlemen, I just purchased a FA 1st class with a screw on back plate. I wanted some opinions on this cross as this is the only thread (mike k post) i have seen with such a FA cross. Thank you greatly for any replies Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 looks good to me, obverse grime/ rust should clean up nicely if desired. i'd be happy with such a piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Hi Eric I'm okay with the a little grime and will leave the cross with such character. I purchased this one as i have an Iron Cross 1st class with the same type of fastener. unfortunately, i have not been able to identify a potential manufacture only some grateful comments by fellow members as these most likely were first produced late war or after. regards, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) yep, it's a kind of generic fastener used by several makers well into the midwar era and beyond, but still nice! here's one with the proprietary type used by meybauer Edited October 4, 2020 by Eric Stahlhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Eric, Nice cross unfortunately for me it seems dealers add several hundred dollars when they see a meybauer. I would like to find a nice Knauer award piece next. Thanks, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) chuck, if you are patient i believe you can still get a nice knauer example at a good price. in my opinion, for some reason these oldenburg ek equivalents don't seem to generate as much interest as other state equivalents, and there are a fair amount that pop up (up to 12,000 were awarded) Edited October 4, 2020 by Eric Stahlhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collectorman Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Hello everyone, Recently I got this nice FA cross 1st class in the mail and I figured that i should post this in here. I would appreciate if anyone could give me some extra information on this particular version. Thank you! It weights 28 grams without the screwback and 39 grams with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 On 24/06/2023 at 00:23, Collectorman said: I would appreciate if anyone could give me some extra information on this particular version. Probably not what you wanted to hear, Collectorman, but your cross reminds me a lot of these frequently found fakes that have been around for just a few years, often or usually distributed by "certain individuals". Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 7 hours ago, saschaw said: Probably not what you wanted to hear, Collectorman, but your cross reminds me a lot of these frequently found fakes that have been around for just a few years, often or usually distributed by "certain individuals". Sorry! I agree. This is a common fake noted by soft detail and overly heavy black paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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