Oldenburg FA 1st Class Cross

[joe campbell]

what a wonderful group of contributions here!!

mike! fantastic array!!

claudio! how do you say "drool" in italiano???

don't know how to link to other threads, but this might

be nice to attach to "the other iron crosses" thread.

great pictures.

joe

[stevo4361]

WOW! Thanks Claudio, dond, and Paul for sharing your examples, fantastic crosses! Amazing groups Claudio! A quick question, on the "Vor dem Feinde" bar there seems to be some variation, from the black version to silver. Are both types accepted as wartime, or like the 1st class is one the "war version" and the other "post war version?"

Hey Jef, I'm not an expert, but on conservation personally I only go after the active, orange rust. There are a few ways to do that, and there have been some great postings on conservation, I'll try and find some for you man! Here's a post of an amazing 1813 EK II, and towards the bottom of this page rust treatment is talked about, hope this helps man,

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3650&hl=rust

Kind Regards,

Steve

Edited April 30, 2006 by stevo4361

[Claudio]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your kind words.

@ Joe: I don't think you can translate "drool" in Italian, but I surely appreciate when collectors like you make such nice compliments on my collectibles.

The clasp on my bar looks like silver but it's Black painted, because of the flash.

I only saw Black "Vor dem Feinde" clasps.

Here's a better picture of the bar.

Ciao,

Claudio

Edited April 30, 2006 by Claudio

[stevo4361]

Hi Claudio,

Thanks for the better pics and the explanation, the clasps are indeed black, just some have the paint worn off. Thanks!

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Jef]

WOW! Thanks Claudio, dond, and Paul for sharing your examples, fantastic crosses! Amazing groups Claudio! A quick question, on the "Vor dem Feinde" bar there seems to be some variation, from the black version to silver. Are both types accepted as wartime, or like the 1st class is one the "war version" and the other "post war version?"

Hey Jef, I'm not an expert, but on conservation personally I only go after the active, orange rust. There are a few ways to do that, and there have been some great postings on conservation, I'll try and find some for you man! Here's a post of an amazing 1813 EK II, and towards the bottom of this page rust treatment is talked about, hope this helps man,

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3650&hl=rust

Kind Regards,

Steve

Thank you Steve,

Thank God, my rusty FA kreuz isn't that bad as that 1813 EK, I cleaned it with a non-aggressive oily liquid. When I look with a magnifying glass, I see tiny holes but I hope oxidation will stops.

kind regards,

Jef

[Peter J]

Some nice crosses you guys have there . I know of at least 8 different variations, here's one of them.

KR

Peter

[stevo4361]

Hi Peter,

Great cross man, thanks for sharing! On the 8 different variations, I would love to learn more about these crosses, could you please expand on this, time permitting? Would sure appreciate it, love to learn more about these FA crosses, as there doesn't seem to be an abundance of information out there on them. Thanks,

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Peter J]

Thanks Steve, here's another thread on the subject. I'll drop you a pm tomorrow

KR

Peter

[Bob Hunter]

C'mon, Joe, let's see your spiffy single FAK2 W/VDM bar...

[Peter J]

Hi Steve,

Here are 8 different versions of the FA Cross 1st class. They can be wiewed in the 112th issue of the Internationales Militaria Magazin (www.vdmedien.de).

KR

Peter

[Peter J]

Hi Steve,

Here are 8 different versions of the FA Cross 1st class. They can be wiewed in the 112th issue of the Internationales Militaria Magazin (www.vdmedien.de).

KR

Peter

[Peter J]

2nd image

[stevo4361]

Thanks Peter!

This info is fantastic! Thanks for sharing it with me!

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Stogieman]

Hallo Peter, Vielen Dank! That is only the third screw-back FAK1 I have seen!

[Eric Stahlhut]

screwback

[Eric Stahlhut]

nut and disc are made of silver. super piece

[chuck]

Gentlemen, 

I just purchased a FA 1st class with a screw on back plate. I wanted some opinions on this cross as this is the only thread (mike k post) i have seen with such a FA cross.

 

Thank you greatly for any replies

Chuck

[Eric Stahlhut]

looks good to me, obverse grime/ rust should clean up nicely if desired. i'd be happy with such a piece!

[chuck]

Hi Eric

I'm okay with the a little grime and will leave the cross with such character. I purchased this one as i have an Iron Cross 1st class with the same type of fastener. unfortunately, i have not been able to identify a potential manufacture only some grateful comments by fellow members as these most likely were first produced late war or after. 

 

regards, 

Chuck

[Eric Stahlhut]

yep, it's a kind of generic fastener used by several makers well into the midwar era and beyond, but still nice!

here's one with the proprietary type used by meybauer

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Eric Stahlhut

[chuck]

Eric,

  Nice cross unfortunately for me  it seems dealers add several hundred dollars when they see a meybauer.  I would like to find a nice Knauer award piece next. 

 

Thanks,

Chuck 

[Eric Stahlhut]

chuck, if you are patient i believe you can still get a nice knauer example at a good price. in my opinion, for some reason these oldenburg ek equivalents don't seem to generate as much interest as other state equivalents, and there are a fair amount that pop up (up to 12,000 were awarded)

Edited October 4, 2020 by Eric Stahlhut

[Collectorman]

Hello everyone,

Recently I got this nice FA cross 1st class in the mail and I figured that i should post this in here.

I would appreciate if anyone could give me some extra information on this particular version.

Thank you!

 

It weights 28 grams without the screwback and 39 grams with it

[saschaw]

On 24/06/2023 at 00:23, Collectorman said:

I would appreciate if anyone could give me some extra information on this particular version.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, Collectorman, but your cross reminds me a lot of these frequently found fakes that have been around for just a few years, often or usually distributed by "certain individuals". Sorry!

 

 

[bolewts58]

7 hours ago, saschaw said:

Probably not what you wanted to hear, Collectorman, but your cross reminds me a lot of these frequently found fakes that have been around for just a few years, often or usually distributed by "certain individuals". Sorry!

 

I agree. This is a common fake noted by soft detail and overly heavy black paint.