Hendrik Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Hi, HendrikYour Badge China Friendship is fake.Hello usairforce,Can you tell me why it is a fake ? What, in your opinion, are the points that make the badge I have different from an original ?Regards,Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 The pin fixing of 'coiled wire' with presumably a copper base points to the new Chinese fake industry.Look on ebaY and you'll find orders of the patriotic war like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Thanks Belaruski, that's helpful information !Cheers,Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Anyone cares to post opinion about this Hero Star?WilliamI am interested in opinions about this beaten up Hero Star.William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reichsrommel Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Anyone cares to post opinion about this Hero Star?WilliamAuthentic. Though the condition is poor. Don't know why it is been flashed on the reverse. Now it is known the medal is silver gilt.Tang Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 The pin fixing of 'coiled wire' with presumably a copper base points to the new Chinese fake industry.Look on ebaY and you'll find orders of the patriotic war like this.Interestingly, a large number of quite authentic early Mongolian awards have this construction, so it may not be as absolute as BR wants it to sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 A North Korean badge for North Korean-Mongolian friendship.Also posted over in the Mongolian forum: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10220&st=80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz Gaszewski Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 When I see an item like this, it always reminds me of an Order of the Peace Dove with Swords (!) that was once proposed by someone.Lukasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) Ed,Another great collection of items you have. Those old DPRK orders are actually quite something! I have quite a few of the new versions of orders, just because they were cheap and I wanted to see them in person. They're just OK. But I just got in this 1st type Order of Labor, and it is spectacular! It has enamel repair in several places, but it is exquisitely done and for this price it was a bargain. I can't wait to get another old-type DPRK order. Matthijs, Great award!!!How much would it cost today? You mentioned the condition wasn't top, by how much are Korean awards discounted in presence of repairs/ damage?William Edited April 4, 2007 by new world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchBoy Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hi William,I think the interest is not (yet) great for DPRK stuff, but this order is definitely collectable. It is silver gilt, numbered, made in the Soviet Union, and great looking. Since supply outstrips demand at this point you can strike a great bargain for these pieces. And also, since the supply of perfect ones is quite big (comparatively speaking) most people would want that instead of a damaged/repaired piece. So I would think that damaged ones are significantly cheaper (as in my case). I think a fair price for an undamaged one should be around $1,500 - $2,000, although many are listed for more (I've seen $3,000, even $4,000). Whether they would sell for that price, and not be negotiated down, I don't know.The piece I have was professionally restored, and it is VERY hard to tell it's been repaired. For the rest it is in excellent condition for a 1950s piece.I would not be surprised if the demand for these goes up quickly, and also, the DPRK orders not made in the Soviet Union will never be really collectable.Matt.Matthijs, Great award!!!How much would it cost today? You mentioned the condition wasn't top, by how much are Korean awards discounted in presence of repairs/ damage?William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hi William,I think the interest is not (yet) great for DPRK stuff, but this order is definitely collectable. It is silver gilt, numbered, made in the Soviet Union, and great looking. Since supply outstrips demand at this point you can strike a great bargain for these pieces. And also, since the supply of perfect ones is quite big (comparatively speaking) most people would want that instead of a damaged/repaired piece. So I would think that damaged ones are significantly cheaper (as in my case). I think a fair price for an undamaged one should be around $1,500 - $2,000, although many are listed for more (I've seen $3,000, even $4,000). Whether they would sell for that price, and not be negotiated down, I don't know.The piece I have was professionally restored, and it is VERY hard to tell it's been repaired. For the rest it is in excellent condition for a 1950s piece.I would not be surprised if the demand for these goes up quickly, and also, the DPRK orders not made in the Soviet Union will never be really collectable.Matt.Matt,Well done, I think you did great - low price for a Mondvor piece where repairs are not noticeable at all.I agree about Korean made pieces - the prices actually went down from few years ago. I remember about 5 yrs ago when I developed interest in N Korean awards - even 3rd classes would sell on eBay for decent money - about $20-30. Now there are tons of them in the market for lower price and very few buys.What do you think about Chech made pieces? Their quality seems to be on par with Soviet made awards.William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchBoy Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) I"ve only handled a very few Czech pieces, but they are very nice. And when you hold a Czech or Soviet piece and put it next to a "native" (possibly Chinese-made) piece, there is no comparison.Just like Yugo stuff, now that Soviet and Mongolian areas are getting very pricey I think DPRK stuff will go up and up (I hope!!)Matt,Well done, I think you did great - low price for a Mondvor piece where repairs are not noticeable at all.I agree about Korean made pieces - the prices actually went down from few years ago. I remember about 5 yrs ago when I developed interest in N Korean awards - even 3rd classes would sell on eBay for decent money - about $20-30. Now there are tons of them in the market for lower price and very few buys.What do you think about Chech made pieces? Their quality seems to be on par with Soviet made awards.William Edited April 5, 2007 by DutchBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reichsrommel Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Hi, AllAgree with Matthijs and William. DPRK orders made in USSR are always collectible.Tang Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Hi, AllAgree with Matthijs and William. DPRK orders made in USSR are always collectible.Tang Si... except Flag Order 3rd class screwbacks. There seems to be endless suplly of them on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Order of Labor / Noryok Hunchang, first version 1951-ca.1970Numbered 1893.Cabral p. 21.My Order of Labor is on the way!I can't wait... William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 My Order of Labor is on the way!I can't wait... WilliamThey are really REALLY nice. Sheh-sheh Tang Zi!!Treat it nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchBoy Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 WilliamCongrats on the purchase, looking forward to hearing what you think!Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reichsrommel Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 They are really REALLY nice. Sheh-sheh Tang Zi!!Treat it nice. Hi, Dear EdWilliam's Labor Honor is not purchased from me:)Tang Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi, Dear EdWilliam's Labor Honor is not purchased from me:)Tang SiBut mine came from you, and it is loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 That's for sure a very nice and beautiful order. Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reichsrommel Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 But mine came from you, and it is loved. Hi, Dear EdSo many thanks for your kind words!Tang Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 (edited) Hi, Dear EdWilliam's Labor Honor is not purchased from me:)Tang SiThat's correct, this time it will come from different person.But I bought some very nice pieces from Tang Si in the past and always been happy to deal with him.William Edited April 9, 2007 by new world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Interestingly, a large number of quite authentic early Mongolian awards have this construction, so it may not be as absolute as BR wants it to sound.I don't want it to sound any particular way, just simply made the point about Chinese fake Orders of the Patriotic War, and even Belarusian Republic Red Banners having this fixing.Interesting point about early Mongolian badges though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Hallo Gents, my one and only North Korean piece obtained today Saturday 02 June 2007, at the Brasov Collectors Fair.The yellow on the red is caused by a reflection of the light.Any comments welcome,Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 The un-marked rear of the N. Korean Badge.With a simple pin device to secure to the uniform.Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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