Nick Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Eric has yet again been very gracious in allowing all members to have for free the latest edition of his excellent ground breaking work The Decorations of Socialist Albania 2nd Edition.It is available in PDF (9MB) and as before the work is copyright to Eric Schena. The Decorations of Socialist Albania 2nd Edition
Pete A Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 I really can't say anything that isn't already said in the thread concerning the 1st edition. First class presentation, really. While socialist Albania isn't actually in my sphere of interest, I sure did enjoy reading this wonderful guide. Also, I believe that we have many members here, who can be considered experts (or maybe even leading experts) in their own field of collecting - or research - and it would be great to see Eric's fine example resulting more publications like this. Eric, I hope this "living guide" keeps on living and evolving, and increases not only our knowledge of the subject, but yours as well. Thanks a lot,Pete
Eric Schena Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Thanks for the kind words, Pete! I hope folks find this useful and interesting. Albanian history is very interesting and often ignored.If anyone has any additions, pictures, errors, or new varieties they'd like to see in a future edition, let me know. Cheers,Eric
Laurence Strong Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Wow, amazing I did not get all the way thru it yet but"Thanks" eric for putting it together.
Bob Posted October 7, 2006 Posted October 7, 2006 Hi Eric, in your extensive research efforts, have you also run across a good overview of modern day Albanian awards?Let me give an example:http://securingamerica.com/printready/prin...ternational.htmhttp://securingamerica.com/node/985General Wesley Clark was awarded a Skanderbeg... and it looks awfully similar to the one from communist times. What implications could this have?
Eric Schena Posted October 9, 2006 Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) Hi Eric, in your extensive research efforts, have you also run across a good overview of modern day Albanian awards?Let me give an example:http://securingamerica.com/printready/prin...ternational.htmhttp://securingamerica.com/node/985General Wesley Clark was awarded a Skanderbeg... and it looks awfully similar to the one from communist times. What implications could this have? I have found some information on current Albanian orders and decorations but have not seen any good pics of the current decorations. I have, however, seen a picture of Gen. Clark wearing his Skanderbeg in a photo history of the Albanian military printed a year or two ago and it is most assuredly not the communist one pictured on that website. It actually looks like the Italian/Zogist era officer pinback decoration. What few pics I have seen of some of the Albanian medals show that they have abandoned the Yugoslav style kolodka in favor of the British style straight ribbon. The website of the President's office does have some info in Albanian about the new orders system, but for some reason the site appears to be down.In any event, if you can read Shqip, here's the text of the law that did away with the old communist decorations:L I G JNr.8113, dat? 28.3.1996P?R DEKORATAT N? REPUBLIK?N E SHQIP?RIS?N? mb?shtetje t? neneve 16 e 28 t? ligjit nr.7491, dat? 29.4.1991 ?P?r dispozitat kryesore kushtetuese?, me propozimin e Presidentit t? Republik?sKUVENDI POPULLOR I REPUBLIK?S S? SHQIP?RIS?V E N D O S I:KREU IDISPOZITA T? P?RGJITHSHMENeni 1Dekoratat e nderit u jepen shtetasve shqiptar? ose t? huaj, q? shquhen p?r merita t? ve?anta ndaj Republik?s s? Shqip?ris? dhe interesave komb?tare.Neni 2Dekoratat jepen nga Presidenti i Republik?s.Neni 3Presidenti i Republik?s jep k?to dekorata:1. Urdhri i Flamurit Komb?tar2. Urdhri "Gjergj Kastrioti Sk?nderbeu"3. Urdhri "Nderi i Kombit"4. Urdhri "Mjesht?r i Madh i Pun?s"5. Urdhri "N?n? Tereza"6. Urdhri "Naim Frash?ri"7. Medalja e Art? e Shqiponj?s8. Medalja "Martir i Demokracis?"9. Medalja "Pishtar i Demokracis?"10. Medalja "P?r Sh?rbime Ushtarake"Neni 4P?rshkrimi i dekoratave, rregullat dhe procedurat p?r propozimet dhe shqyrtimin e tyre caktohen nga Presidenti i Republik?s.KREU IIMOTIVACIONET DHE KUSHTET E DH?NIES S? DEKORATAVENeni 5Urdhri i Flamurit Komb?tarU jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r merita t? jasht?zakonshme p?r lartimin e kombit shqiptar dhe t? Shqip?ris?. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art?.Neni 6Urdhri "Gjergj Kastrioti Sk?nderbeu"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r ndihmes? t? qen?sishme ose akte t? ve?anta heroike n? mbrojtjen, forcimin e p?rparimin e Republik?s s? Shqip?ris?. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art?.Neni 7Urdhri "Nderi i Kombit"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? q? me veprat dhe emrin e tyre nderojn? kombin shqiptar brenda dhe jasht? vendit. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art?.Neni 8Urdhri "Mjesht?r i Madh i Pun?s"U jepet punonj?sve t? fushave t? ndryshme t? shkenc?s, artit, sportit, drejtimit, prodhimit dhe biznesit p?r pun? t? shquara. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art?.Neni 9Urdhri "N?n? Tereza"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r akte t? shquara humanizmi ndaj kombit shqiptar dhe njer?zimit. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art?.Neni 10Urdhri "Naim Frash?ri"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj, punonj?sve t? shkenc?s, artit, kultur?s dhe arsimit p?r vepra dhe veprimtari t? ?muara. Ky urdh?r do t? jet? i art? dhe i argjendt?.Neni 11Medalja e Art? e Shqiponj?sU jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r trim?ri n? luft?n e armatosur dhe p?r veprimtari ose akte t? guximit qytetar n? koh? paqeje. Kjo medalje do t? jet? e art?.Neni 12Medalja "Martir i Demokracis?"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj, q? jan? martirizuar p?r veprimtarin? e tyre t? shquar p?r lirin?, demokracin? dhe p?rparimin shoq?ror t? Shqip?ris? dhe t? kombit shqiptar. Kjo medalje do t? jet? e art?.Neni 13Medalja "Pishtar i Demokracis?"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r sh?rbime t? shquara e sakrifica t? kryera p?r kombin shqiptar dhe demokracin?. Kjo medalje do t? jet? e art?.Neni 14Medalja "P?r Sh?rbime Ushtarake"U jepet qytetar?ve shqiptar? dhe t? huaj p?r merita t? ve?anta n? sh?rbimin ushtarak n? Shqip?ri. Kjo medalje do t? jet? e art?.KREU IIIDISPOZITA T? FUNDITNeni 15Dh?nia e dekoratave mund t? shoq?rohet me nj? shp?rblim n? t? holla, sipas kritereve q? do t? caktoj? K?shilli i Ministrave.Neni 16Dekoratat e dh?na deri n? hyrjen n? fuqi t? k?tij ligji do t? njihen.Neni 17Ligji nr.6133, dat? 12.2.1980, si dhe ?do dispozit? tjet?r q? ka t? b?j? me k?t? ligj shfuqizohet.Neni 18Ky ligj hyn n? fuqi menj?her?.Shpallur me dekretin nr.1439, dat? 2.4.1996 t? Presidentit t? Republik?s s? Shqip?ris?, Sali Berisha Edited October 9, 2006 by Eric Schena
Lukasz Gaszewski Posted November 10, 2006 Posted November 10, 2006 Dear Eric,I deeply bow before you. You did a great job indeed to solve the mystery of the most unknown award system in Europe. Your name will be deeply imprinted in the history of medallic science. I would like to add Albanian ribbons to my http://www.medals.lava.pl site. I do hope you will not object if I use the information from your book, all credits to your work being given of course. I have been desperately trying to find out any images of current Albanian awards - all in vain so far. I have contacted various Albanian institutions, but they have all a strange habit of ignoring any letters directed to them Congratulations again on the excellent work!Lukasz
Eric Schena Posted November 11, 2006 Posted November 11, 2006 Hi Lucasz:Thank you for your very kind remarks. I am also working on a third edition presently, but i have no idea when it will be finished.I would like to add Albanian ribbons to my http://www.medals.lava.pl site. I do hope you will not object if I use the information from your book, all credits to your work being given of course. I most certainly do not object - I would be honored to have some of my research on your fantastic website (which I use all the time when I do some research into Polish decorations). Let me know if there are specific things you need and I would be happy to help you out.I have been desperately trying to find out any images of current Albanian awards - all in vain so far. I have contacted various Albanian institutions, but they have all a strange habit of ignoring any letters directed to them You are not the only one who has had that problem . I have a friend who has been desperately trying to get any info out of the Albanian govt on their current awards and, like you, his letters disappear into the aether without a trace. I guess trying to shake off 50 years of forced secrecy is a hard habit to break.Cheers,Eric
albania Posted November 12, 2006 Posted November 12, 2006 hi! this is the best work and effort i have ever seen. I was surprised to see the history of my country displayed in a great manner. Erich congratulations! If I were the president of Albania I would award you with Skanderbeg 1 class I woud need your help in one thing: Since I work with medals and orders I would like to know what would be relatively good price for my medals when I put them on ebay? I dont want to be overcharging or selling them cheap. I am located in Albania and I was proud to see your work.thank youAlbanian Navy Command ens Elvis Cenko
Guest Rick Research Posted November 12, 2006 Posted November 12, 2006 Welcome! When a collecting field is as new as this, it is always difficult to find a "market price" for things which are too scarce to have an "average" price.I know when the German Democratic Republic and Soviet Union collapsed, everything was very cheap. 15 years later, now that we KNOW numbers awarded and have a lot of information, prices are so sometimes it is better to wait and see. A "good" price TODAY may be 10 years from now.
albania Posted November 12, 2006 Posted November 12, 2006 Welcome! When a collecting field is as new as this, it is always difficult to find a "market price" for things which are too scarce to have an "average" price.I know when the German Democratic Republic and Soviet Union collapsed, everything was very cheap. 15 years later, now that we KNOW numbers awarded and have a lot of information, prices are so sometimes it is better to wait and see. A "good" price TODAY may be 10 years from now.thanks nice advise
Eric Schena Posted November 14, 2006 Posted November 14, 2006 Hi Elvis and welcome!Thank you so much for your very kinds words on my modest book about your nation's awards for which I am most grateful. I would love to know any contributions, feedback or corrections you may have, especially since you are a little closer to the "action" (so to speak) than I am As for your question regarding prices, Rick did indeed put it quite accurately. I purposely avoided giving rarity statistics and prices because of a couple of factors:1. There are precious few solid statistics regarding how many exist or were even awarded. 2. Some of the types of awards from the 1980's are starting to appear more frequently (comparatively speaking, of course), so prices are going to fluctuate wildly. I think some of these are coming out of the unused stocks at the President's office (at least that is what one of my friends from Tiran? told me).3. There are so few devoted collectors for Albanian medals (I only know of maybe 6 or so folks) that the market is rather small right now. That is not to say it won't grow, it's just not on the same scale as USSR decorations.I know that does not help you a lot, but we are all still learning so much about your nation's awards...G?zuar!Eric
albania Posted November 14, 2006 Posted November 14, 2006 Hi Elvis and welcome!Thank you so much for your very kinds words on my modest book about your nation's awards for which I am most grateful. I would love to know any contributions, feedback or corrections you may have, especially since you are a little closer to the "action" (so to speak) than I am As for your question regarding prices, Rick did indeed put it quite accurately. I purposely avoided giving rarity statistics and prices because of a couple of factors:1. There are precious few solid statistics regarding how many exist or were even awarded. 2. Some of the types of awards from the 1980's are starting to appear more frequently (comparatively speaking, of course), so prices are going to fluctuate wildly. I think some of these are coming out of the unused stocks at the President's office (at least that is what one of my friends from Tiran? told me).3. There are so few devoted collectors for Albanian medals (I only know of maybe 6 or so folks) that the market is rather small right now. That is not to say it won't grow, it's just not on the same scale as USSR decorations.I know that does not help you a lot, but we are all still learning so much about your nation's awards...G?zuar!Eric
albania Posted November 14, 2006 Posted November 14, 2006 Erich thank you for your quick answer! I have started using your descriptions on my sales for albanian medals. I mentioned your book to a merchant in Kruja and he asked me to have one copy, so i will print one and give it to him if that is ok. It started as a job for some pocket money for me but I am fascinated by the interesting subject and I have the urge to start one collection myself. Since a kid under communism I used to collect coins so I guess is in me somehow. I love history and is there any better way to learn and teach history than this? I am already shipping to Israel, france germany and usa that means that there is a modest but interesting geographic dispersion of people interested.Being a officer in the navy (ensign) I have some access to gov offices. if you need any info pls let me know. Second topic is communist pins and badges which I have access to a large quantity. What do you think about those? is there a market. they have an interesting make, design, and meaning.As far as your book: there will be a day when pupil will be better than his teacher but until that day I remain your pupil.best regardsthank you again
Lukasz Gaszewski Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 Dear Eric, Dear All,I am glad to inform that the Albanian section has been added to medals.lava . Please have a look at http://www.medals.lava.pl/al/al2.htm. Thank you Eric once again for the assistance. The page would not be possible without your excellent work.Lukasz
Eric Schena Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 What an absolute first class presentation that is, Lucasz! I am thrilled and honored to have been able to offer you some assistance.Cheers,Eric
Gerd Becker Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 Once again, Eric, great work I am going to expand my Albanian Collection a little in the future and your book will be most helpful.Thanks for your effort!best regards,Gerd
albania Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 hey Lukasz! indeed a very nice presentation. congrat
Bob Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 Uhoh... there I was thinking, good, found a nice little country to collect medals from that nobody else is interested in and I can already see the signs similar to what happened with Mongolian awards a year or so ago
Belaruski Posted December 18, 2006 Posted December 18, 2006 SIMPLY STUNNING!THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS!I had an interest in Albanian awards but didn't know what I was looking at until now. This is a simply superb guide! Many thanks again!
Bob Posted December 29, 2007 Posted December 29, 2007 Coming back to this thread, so much progression has been made in the area of Albanian collection - for a large part due to Eric's work which has "opened up" this area of collecting by documenting in a well structured way the awards in his English (very helpful!) document, the changes during history, etc.Over the past year or two on this forum we've uncovered numbered Skanderbegs (and the informal feedback is still that these CAN be researched in the state archives!), deputy pints, hero star and hero of labour star, etc.Looking forward to the next phase:- there is an Albanian member of this forum working on a book + exhibition... should be well worth a visit to Tirana! - more and more award documents have come available offering both interestingly designed documentation (Albanian awards may be a bit crude vs. other countries, but the documents are great!) and some nice personalized reasons for awarding... hopefully more to come!- and then sights will be set on finding some elusive awards... such as the Laureat of Albania prize (seen by very few people sofar, and no picture available yet)2008 promises to be an interesting year for Albanian awards (although one needs patience... things get uncovered at glacial speed - but that's better than not at all )Wish all Albanian awards enthusiasts a fruitful 2008
922F Posted December 29, 2007 Posted December 29, 2007 Thanks again to Eric for all his sincere effort, dedicated research & ground breaking work and Bob {for refreshing the topic}!!
Megan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Having (finally!) settled down to read the 3rd Edition - I have a week off so decided to do something about the People's Republic of Albania - I am well impressed by a magnificent work.
Explorer Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 Isn't there already a 3rd edition of this book available? I think I once had it. Is it possible to get it?
Belaruski Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 I'd also be interested in a 3rd edition! I know Lame's work is out now, but I still use Eric's book as my reference!
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