Paul R Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I attended the Hayward CA BAT show today and walked away with this awesome ribbon bar; bought from Ed Anderson. What are your thoughts? I love it. What do the missing medals look like? I know that the EK2 is a standard cross. What about the others? I would like to find the missing pendents and display them on top of the bar. Is this item traceable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Paul; It's a Württemberg bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 Thank you. How available are the missing pendents? Do you think that this combination is tracable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostprussenmann_new Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 It is a career Württemberg Bar as Naxos said. The ribbons look to be in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostprussenmann_new Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Good luck on finding everything. I am interested in the completion of your project. It just bothers me that people cut up historic items. In regards to finding out who the bar belogns too, I would be someone on here can point you in the right direction. The great people on here have helped me over the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulton Palmer Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Hello Paul, very nice ribbon bar, congrats! Greetings from Bruges, Flanders, Poulton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Very nice bar! I'd not replace anything unless it is discussed what should be on it... not to easy! I think it must be a NCO's bar... - EK2 1914 - Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz - but which? Possibly with swords from the position? - Württemberg Silver merit cross - with or without sowrds? - Württemberg Kronordenmedaille - should be real gold as never awarded in gilt, from what I've heard - Württemberg Silver merit medal Wilhelm II. - Württemberg, military long service award - maybe a "Dienstehrenzeichen" - once more Württemberg, military long service award, probably the cross for 15 years - or a Reserve/Landwehr long service award - Prussian 1897 medal. I think we need a real Württemberg specialist - like Daniel Krause or Uwe Bretzendorfer - to be sure what exactely belongs there. To many awards on same and similar ribons... but that is it roughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Paul R, What a great bar! As you can see from Saschaw’s excellent analysis, it has some terrific, but not particularly difficult or outrageously expensive, restoration possibilities. Please keep us posted on this project. Best wishes, Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 Thanks everyone. Yes, it upsets me that someone cut this one up as well. Why would they do that? Did NCOs receive the non combattant version of the Iron Cross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 The Württemberg Kronordenmedaille sounds like a pretty expensive medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The Württemberg Kronordenmedaille sounds like a pretty expensive medal. A good point. Sadly the recent increases in the price of gold have probably had quite an impact on medals like this; but let's not go there, other than to say that it may, in part, provide an answer to your question as to why such groups were once cut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 Very nice bar! I'd not replace anything unless it is discussed what should be on it... not to easy! I think it must be a NCO's bar... - EK2 1914 - Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz - but which? Possibly with swords from the position? - Württemberg Silver merit cross - with or without sowrds? - Württemberg Kronordenmedaille - should be real gold as never awarded in gilt, from what I've heard - Württemberg Silver merit medal Wilhelm II. - Württemberg, military long service award - maybe a "Dienstehrenzeichen" - once more Württemberg, military long service award, probably the cross for 15 years - or a Reserve/Landwehr long service award - Prussian 1897 medal. I think we need a real Württemberg specialist - like Daniel Krause or Uwe Bretzendorfer - to be sure what exactely belongs there. To many awards on same and similar ribons... but that is it roughly. Thank you for the detailed information, both here and via PM. I will see about getting this bar back up to it's former glory, ithout sewing the pendents back on. Can I safely assume that the EK2 is a noncombattant type, the Wilhelmskreuz and the Silver Merit Cross were both without swords? There is not really a chance that an NCO would have a Non Combatant Version of the Iron Cross, is there? I thought that these were mainly awarded to Beamte and high ranking civilians in industry? Thank you for the image of the gold medal. It is beautiful... and I will have to bite the bullet at some point to get the medallion. I really want to display the bar with the appropriate pendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 That's why I said to ask someone else: I'm not sure. The 1914 noncombattant EK went to persons that were not in enemy's country - persons that stayed in Germany. Usually officials and so on... but probably not only! The Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz with swords, from what I've heard, went to any military recipient... I think we really need an hardcore Württemberg expert to get a definite answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 May I also say what an outstanding bar you have there! It has the potential to hang some of the great, non-enamel medals that Württemberg had to offer. Your project to restore this bar with the appropriate medals is encouraging to me. Silly question, but were the threads of the medals really "cut" from underneath the ribbons, or are their hooks? I think Saschaw gave the great advice when he advised finding a real hardcore knowledge Württemberg expert to get the best medal matches. Herr Bretzendorfer certainly comes to mind, but I don't want to discount the knowledge Mr. Krause brings. I would like to hear both of their analyses of this bar. I can't wait to see your restroration progress. Can we see the reverse side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 There are cut threads... . There are no hooks There are a couple that still have the brass rings where the medals were. I will show you. I will make images of the reverse and post them. Who are some of the Württemberg experts here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Similar non-combatant bar currently on Ebay: http://www.ebay.de/i...984.m1423.l2649 Edited September 16, 2011 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Too me it looks like a plain combattan EK ribbon... Edited September 16, 2011 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Too me it looks like a plain combattan EK ribbon... Your are absolutly right Claudio, my mistake. The way it is folded makes it appear on first glance like a non-combatant. Sorry and thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 Here are some more clearer photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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