misiu Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hello collector-friends, in this case my research know-how was not for use. Maybe someone out there is able to identify the former owner. Regards Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Wow , Fantastic Spange , Great find Detlef , I have about 70 names on holders of Liberty Cross 3rd class 1918 but this is not any of them. What is the award between Hamburg HK and Albert Order ? This one should be possible to find I think . I haven´t got verified numbers of 3rd class to Germans , but I promise you. There is not many of them,,,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeagleorder Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Wonderful bar misiu!!!! Christerd, from what I can tell that award is the Lippe-Detmold House Order 4th class. Regards, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 It looks like Schaumburg-Lippe to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hi guys, it is indeed a Schaumburg-Lippe Hausorden Kreuz 4.Klasse (OEK 1217). Regards Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Hi guys, it is indeed a Schaumburg-Lippe Hausorden Kreuz 4.Klasse (OEK 1217). Regards Detlef Yes -Schaumburg-Lippe Can we see the back of the bar and some close-ups too? Thank you for showing it. Edited February 27, 2012 by Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 I will provide with pleasure some more pictures and still hope that the brave soldier will be identified. Regards Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M Hunter Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Detlef, This is a beautiful frackspange. I think it was posted/discussed here before. Best wishes Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Thank you all for your replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I keep coming back to look at the bar, it is most perplexing. There are most non-combattant awards, but you have the EK2 and Hindenburg with swords. There is not long service so he had less than 10 year in service. My guess on the war is that you have someone who was not in the army or navy but was connected with it or the goverment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 An active Prussian officer would receive his first and only long service award after 25, not 10 years of service. The three peace time orders are lowest ranks, given to Leutnants/Oberleutnants. I could not find him, but my guess is active Prussian army junior officer in pre-WW1 time; probably a civilian in WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 An active Prussian officer would receive his first and only long service award after 25, not 10 years of service. The three peace time orders are lowest ranks, given to Leutnants/Oberleutnants. I could not find him, but my guess is active Prussian army junior officer in pre-WW1 time; probably a civilian in WW2. Yes the 3 pease time awards are for lower rank, but to have received those 3 awards he should have been somebody special. If that is the case then why did he only receive an HH during the war. I would expect him to have more wartine awards if he was in service. If he was in the army a look through the 1914 rangliste should turn him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Yes the 3 pease time awards are for lower rank, but to have received those 3 awards he should have been somebody special. If that is the case then why did he only receive an HH during the war. I don't know the reason, but take a look at e.g. Werner Frhr. von Froben, who just got an Zähringer in WW1 - but had four pre-war orders on his medal bar. If he was in the army a look through the 1914 rangliste should turn him up. It should, yes, unless he left sevice for any reason before to be re-called in WW1... I could not find him immediately in 1914... =( Edited March 3, 2012 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 What is also interesting the the absence of the 1897 centennial medal. If he is an active officer, which I think he is since he does not have an LD2, he would have come in after 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 I do not know if it helps to identify, but besides the medal bar the miniatyre chain, the ribbon bar as well as the so-called "Knopflochdekoration" exist. At the moment unfortunately no pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 This is an exceptionally ODD combination, out of anything remotely correct precedence--in WW2! Blacklight the ribbons to make sure none of the white glos electric blue. I am very dubious about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In the VERY small world that centers around GMIC, I have a scan saved from 25 January 2010 (posted by our webr55) of this.... "set" sold then by Kai Winkler--but I cannot find it HERE again by any form of searching however we then discussed it. With 99.99% certainty this is a Frankenstein assemblage and the ribbons will probably glow. The awards simply make no sense together. A Leutnant with THREE peacetime Orders, unrelated to each other, at least TWO of which would have had to have been awarded after the May 1914 Rank List and before the war started? And THEN that officer, still only an Oberleutnant, gets the Finnish FOURTH Class? But our super-achiever YOUNG Oberleutnant aD is a CIVILIAN in WW2.... wearing his medals completely contrary to Third Reich rules? I'm still searching for that old thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Well, couldn't find it-- but here is the scan I saved at the time (25.01.10) when the "set" was sold by Kai Winkler-- This should have been an early warning of "industrial scale production" by a NEW busy Frankenstein, but this occurred just as I was going offline for 3+ years so am still woefully behind on events of 2010-2013 in collecting badness. There is always a .01% chance that something bizarre is, freakishly, actually ORIGINAL, if bizarre....but not in this case. Not without the award documents to "explain" it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Just a thought: some railway guy? Eisenbahn Beamter? I remember they had some railway unit in Finland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 No Third Reich Treudienst--and way too many peacetime Orders. The lower the rank, the less likely to be rewarded--everywhere, every time. Weimar didn't care about rules, but this unhappy... abundance.... defies Third Reich rigidity, as well as the impossible combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 Someone told me once the name Julius Terberger, but I could not find him? Could this guy be real and therefore also the medal bar? Best regards Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 (edited) Interestingly enough, there was a Hptm. Ludwig Terberger in IR 158 in 1914. His awards in May 1914 were LDH4 SA3b. His date of rank as a Leutn. was 18.10.1897, so no centenary. Perhaps the plot thickens?? Andy Edited August 30, 2013 by arb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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