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I have still problems with the quality of the devices. But if you like it - why not.

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Saxon styled Frackspangen (tuxedo bars) are not so easy to find in a combatants`s version. For this shown piece on non-combatant ribbon - it took nearly 10 years to find such a piece for my collection. The IC is a KO (Klein & Quenzer) piece - the hindy cross is a G&S (Glaser & Son, Dresden/Saxony) I was happy to find that piece in a small Militaria shop in 2019.

Sad for us in Germany. As in many more museums (security): "it must not cost anything" - es darf halt nichts kosten.

#1 Bavarian MMCr #2 Baden Order of Zähringer Lion knight 1 with oaks #3 Prussia Red eagle order 4th class or 3rd #4 Württemberg Friedrichsorder knight 1 # 5 Bavarian LSC 24 years

Thank you both.

Would like to see the reverse.

Hi, i don`t know much about Hannover orders & medals - but what i know is, that those early crosses are very hard to find. And they are very expensive, because of its gold. Also harder to find are Hannover pics with that cross on it (After 1866 Hannover was "finished")

Hi again, Thanks to all for giving me input about my questions. I got some new pics - i`d like to show 3 of them. #1 : Seems to be a guy of the Freiwillige Krankenpflege - may be a saxon with a 9 place ribbon bar. I´ve never seen that device of the Carola medal (oaks with numbers on it). He wears: IC combatant - hindy cross - austrian war memorial medal with X - ????? - Carola medal - prussian red cross medal 3 - saxon general honour cross - red cross medal 2 and ???? (may be iron crescent) What do you think about the ?????? decorations. The pic is dated with 1941, Graz Austria - he war reactivated and served as Luftwaffe official. # 2: Seems to be military official - is he a prussian - is it a paymaster? The pic was taken in Köthen / Anhalt. He wears: IC combatant - ???? (may be Hamburg hanseatic cross - or Anhalt Friedrichscross combatant) - and may be Centenial or LSM. #3: A Wuerttemberg guy. I was happy, to find it. He´s golden bravery guy. No date on it. Taken in Langenau (near Ulm). He´s an officer who was awarded with golden bravery & Friedrichsorden knight2 with X. (interesting, because normally FOIIX had to given back after awarding the golden bravery) What about the last decoration on his bar ? - Baltenkreuz? The pic must have been taken in 1936 or later. Unfortunately: No name... Thanks for watching. '

Thanks a lot ! i am not sure, but may be i`ve made a mistake: In 1877 Staatshandbuch - page 189 says: Einstein, Stabsarzt in Ulm and than: Fischer, Dr. daselbst (daselbst means he is also living in Ulm) I think he´s Dr. - but not Stabsarzt. The problem is, that "Fischer" is a damn common name in Germany. 1843 sounds good. my considerations were, that if was active in 1870 he should be born around 1840-45. I also found an entry in the internet, that he was still Hospitalarzt in around 1900 in Ulm. In 1914 he would have been around 70 years - that would fit with the IC "non-combatant" and Wilhelmscross without X for "home merit". I hope, i will get the data of the 1870/71 cross, soon - and get the data of Oldenburg and Braunschweig - i need it for trying two ID 2 other bars....

Sorry for asking again: I found my infos in Wuerttemberg Hof und Staatshandbuch 1877 In the 1869 phonebook of Ulm he is listed only as "Dr. Fischer". Any more infos out there?

A homefront guy - may be Feuerwehrkommandant, Freiwillige Krankenpflege, Beamter or something in that way. That`s the reason, why he did not get any front decorations.

No problem. I also have 38 & 39, but i know, that Freiburg has the 36´s list - but a request there, needs time..

Thank you v e r y much, Glenn. Is he still in the 1939 Siekmann (age would be 67 at this time)? Perfect, Glenn, perfect! Got him in 1922 Löbau Adressbuch as OZM and 1935 as Stabszahlmeister. ?

No one in possession of the 1936s list? I only have later years.

Sorry - I would have some questions about the ribbon bar: If it is a "unmarked" Godet ribbon bar - i have never seen ribbons bar of Godet with golden "catch" and Nadelbock - are there similar pieces out there, i could see ? And: Especially the sword devices are not in a very good quality, aren`t they ? I think the piece was made latest in the early 1940s if it`s a period piece of a St. Heinrichs Ritter (knight or higher, not a medal) He had the Imtiaz medal with X - what about a (golden) Liakat or a Iron cresent?

Thats the version till March 1911

F.A. also had the clasp to the IC 1870

You can find those old styled bars also in wartimes 1914/18

I think OK2

Hi, Unfortunately, i do not have the 1936 (?) rankliste of the WH - Beamten. I wound need to check 3 names: -Freund August bonr 1872 -Häschel, Ernst Wilhelm born 1873 -Süptitz, Ernst Arthur Paul born 1876 If the were still active in this time, they would have had the rank of a Stabszahlmeister or Oberstabszahlmeister - i think so. All persons were in Saxon units in 1914. T h a n k you very much. Joe

What i found out is, that his company has branches in Hessia and Bavaria- so the Ludwigkreuz (König Ludwig Kreuz) would be a possibility. He was Chemist - born 1855 died in 1922.

The bar looks not bad. But i think the # 1 position was a RAO4 or KO4 on white ribbon with black stripes - not IC NC.

Hi -and sorry that i do have another question: I need more infos about Dr. Rudolf Alberti (Direktor of the Deutsche Baryt Industrie) - in 1918 Direktor of the Kriegsschmierölgesellschaft ( Dir. of the war oil compagny) Berlin & Kommerzienrat I know that he got the Wuerttemberg Wilhelmscross without X in July 1918 and Mecklenburg Friedrich Franz cross in April 1918 (that`s the reason, why he isn`t listed in the 1918 books with a decoration) What i need to know is: -Did he get the IC on non combatant ribbon and prussian war aid cross Both decorations were awarded till the early 1920s. Did he also get the bavarian Ludwigscross (only awarded till Nov. 1918), so i think he got it between Jan and Nov. 1918. ? Thanks to all. Joe.

EK2 to be on the black-white ribbon. Yes, but the regulations between the states were not always clear. I have a few bars with NC and combatant decorations especially with Oldenburg FAK. (most of them were sitting in X. Armeekorps) My special guy is Golaszewski of the 1929 list, or have a look of the Wuerttemberg guys in the Kriegsministerium. Nearly all of them got the WK X - but they never saw any bullet - or Kurt Eckelbergs bar (Freiwillige Krankenpflege) - he got the kuk Ehrenzeichen vom Roten Kreuz II. with war decoration for sitting in Berlin and other cases. Marine does not sound bad - i also know a nearly similar bar of a Verwaltungsbeamter in a POW camp. (may be thats the reason, why he got NC - combatant decorations) What do you think about my shown bar in the Brunswick thread? PS: My guy seems to be no Anhaltiner. He also wears LSM XII (prussia - may be born in Anhalt and serving in a prussian unit)