Ulsterman

very nice! you have some great Hungarian stuff.

squinting I'd say that was the NCO cadre too.

very cool. What does it say exactly? Still no medal?

I agree. While I have only been collecting these for a decade or so, I have only noticed this variant over the past few months. Somebody in the UK was making stars @ 5-6 years ago as "reenactors' medals", so maybe the original production run has now hit the marketplace.

awake now! Forgot about this thread. More anon-

If I read the above document correctly, it was to a civilian administrator (Lobvogel?) in the War Ministry? So, any more data-points on noncom. EK2s out there?

It took me a while to refind this thread. In looking through the OMSA monograph on Col. Gleims' letters I found the following tid-bits: p. 97: AGO statistical compilation of foreign awards indicated 20 DSCs,20 DSMs, 0 SS, 242 LOM, 4 DFC, 1 SM, 129 BSMs and 0 AM awarded to Soviet troops. As you mentioned also, All Hands had 190 recipients of 7 different Soviet Orders and medals (p. 105) including 45 Order of Glory 3 classes to navy and Coast Guard men. Very cool stuff.

Very cool-ids the ribbon a Hohenzollern type? Are there any docs? Any to foreigners?

I don't know. I'd love to have it "in hand". The rarer the piece/combo the greater the likelihood of it being fabricated as a "collectors edition". Here you have somebody who merited a noncom EK2, was in uniform (which makes this one of only 3,000 or so EK2s) but not in combat in WW1. Yet by all indications he was in @ 1916+ and then got recalled in 1937 or so-and merited only a 4 year LS Luftwaffe medal (not enough time in by 1939/40 to have had the 12 year LS: most Sudenten medals were actually handed out to people in the beginning of 1939-making this bar MINIMUM from the Spring of '39-40). Note there is no KvKx, which one might expect of a post 1940 bar. A native Hamburger? A clever young gas technician/chemist working on Zepplins? An accountant? A chemist/pharmacist? A really good mechanic? Someone invalided out early who did vital war work? The Luftwaffe certainly pulled in many odd technical types upon rearmament., so it sort of fits the bars' "story". I think its very intriguing.

Many period mistakes-still though, I have noticed a larger percentage of the reversed EKs Seem to have belonged to non-Prussians.

whoa! A Doorn piece. Who made that? How many? Wow!

.... makes you wonder about those noncom. Ek2s.

I think it is real. Ersatz Bttn. Feldwebel etc.

Outstanding bit of research!! Makes you sad though-one more week and he'd have lived probably-

Same here-never seen that "Yankeefied" pin arrangement before. Interesting noncom. career though. ...makes me think of ambulance trains unloading and whatnot.

Score!!! Maybe one day for me. :Cat-Scratch:

Really? I never knew that! Perhaps we have a Prince amongst us then. I assumed by the mustache on the avatar's picture that it was @ 1860-80. What is also useful in that Almanach is the point it gives towards the list of EK2 winners. So an award list of the 1813 EK2 is viable. Just from those sources alone we have 25% of the names available. Interesting that by 1818, 900 recipients were dead already.

wow- how "little" is that bar exactly?

Whew: very,very nice. I have always wondered if vets of 1813/14 and 1815 wore the two campaign medals together. Contemporary accounts mention that they were worn on the battlefield and as the Prussian troops entered Paris. That original ribbon is a bonus. Congratulations.

you know chaps- Chuck In Oregon may well know this man and may also be able to track down the who, whats and wherefores of these recent Tammys. He is in Georgia at the mo-

Excellent!! Bravo.

I hope someone who has no intention of paying "der Club". :cheers:

Just found the 1821 list for the Iron helm (only 136 though). It really was a fighting mans' award. I note that there's a Austrian von Haynau. I wonder if he's any relation to our Haynau? Interesting to see where Hessenthal et Schr. got their information. ........and the complete 1814/15 iron cross list (1st class and noncombatants.) :cheers:

Is there a Baden award list?

Very,very interesting stuff. Do the police publish lists of lifesaving medals at all?