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Both-they show up on eBay in the original packets/boxes with the Italian company name on them .

I suspect this was made in Italy- at least some of them. The labour medal certainly was.

really nice! i have to ask-do they have the t.v. program, 'jag' in Hungary?

Aggh! Just out of reach-the list stops at the end of "k"-unless Heft 2 wasn't completely microfilmed.

Very,very nice- I really like that 'light industry' badge. Sweet!

No they include some bavarians as well.

No? It's infuriating as they stopped a "K"- and surely they had l-z 'in the blocks'.

Beautiful!!!

yeah-sorry to get your hopes up there. I'm going on distant memory. There was another thread about the Messina earthquake medal bar. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1842...sina+earthquake

Wasn't this one identified a year ago?

I am going through Dave Danners' Ritter der E.K. (1915) which I have come to conclude is drawn from newspapers and the military gazette. I also am convinced there is another "lost" heft out there-L-Z for late 1914 for EK2s. I would like to check for accuracy if possible. Would the members here be so kind as to list any EK awards they have knowledge of made in 1914 to anyone BELOW the rank of Oberstlt? Deathcards, docs,photos-diaries-whatever. i suspect the book is @ 75% complete, but that's a mere guess. Some interesting things have leapt out already though . According to the pamphlet, in 1914-only 13 enlisted ranks got the EK1. All the rest (@890) were to officers. 11 were awarded to EK2 (1870) holders-again all officers. Also, there clearly were awards to civilians in the front lines: EK2s were awarded to Postmen and train drivers! Also, there were a number of well placed Beamten who got their EK2s quite early and a fascinating reference to a few other rather odd folks. Clearly Fleigertroops were also favored-pilots anyway:the glamour of the air service. Out of 4.5 million men under arms in Dec. 1914, according to this pamphlet, there were only about 3,500 men wearing an EK2 in December, 1914. If you were young and single, having an EK must have been a guaranteed a very good time at home on Christmas leave.

In sleuthing-this gentleman is a member of the Deutscher Krieger Bund. The Deutscher KriegVerein (est. 1874) included Franco Prussian war vets. The former did not.

Yay!! Thanks.

Fingers crossed: He waits-breath baited.......

To boast a little- i was very indirectly responsible for this book. The chap who wrote (Brian Rig) it discussed the fact that he'd just discovered "Mischlinge" in the library one day long ago with me (I camped out in the German history section). he had done Marvah and served in the Israeli army. I was the only gentile ever to do Marvah-and I got sent home immediately when they found out I wasn't jewish. Anyway- I'd just read Rick R's post about a Field Marshalls' mother's perjury and mentioned it. Off he went and wrote his senior paper and viola-a book appeared. His girlfriend was quite a snap too. His thesis advisor, (not me) whose entire book sale numbers equal about 1/3 of the first printing of Hitlers' Jewish Soldiers made all sorts of snotty remarks about "accessability" (i.e. normal folks can read their books). I find that American academics are often quite insulated, self-absorbed, arrogant and petty-minded. I think of them as the ultimate Baby-boomers: the ugliest Americans. Having said that they are angels of truth and light compared to French academics.

Franken: What are the details of a gilded MVK1x? Any chance Ed and I have one of these or did we get hosed by Der Fraudmeister?

Have you seen the world class publication on ribbon bars by Rick Research? It will answer all your questions. Go to the database section and then the ribbon bars subsection.

So an Weimar officer's service contract was 12 years in length? I thought you were in until released or you resigned.

Would he lend it to you foe web publication? We would love to see these pieces.

Aieeee- Purchased from Spinks in 1998 no less. Anyone have an idea as to how I can repair this fraudulently upgraded medal? Also, i would be grateful if our German friends would privately PM me with any details of the man in Germany who is doing this. i would be happy to file a lawsuit here for civil fraud. It will cost me only $25 and it'll be well worth it to publicize the case. People are afraid to name names in case of a threatened libel suit, but it's quite allowable to discuss the merits of an unsealed legal case. No one can sue you for libel if you are 'merely discussing the merits of an international fraud case'.

This looks chronological to me-and this was done, there's photos out there a plenty to prove it. I'd also be he rated more than 2 Pacific area campaign stars, but it looks locally made,private purchase piece, so maybe they only did two stars instead of multiples. The China service medal was authorized for service in China up to 1950 i thought. I have a friend here who was a "China Marine" in 1946-47 and its his only campaign award (out in 1948). He has the Victory medal too and that's it : elegant I think.

Really???? That is cool. How rare are these? Were they replaced by the Kivalo Munkaert medal?

Uh-isn't the first ribbon a navy long service medal? The National Defense medal was instituted in mid 1953 and distributed starting in late 1953. The Korean campaign medal was authorized in November 1950 and the UN medal was authorized in very late 1951 (so, distributed 1952+). Thus, this dates this bar as being made in 1952/ early 1953- a wartime bar. Maybe even made in Korea-note there's NO occupation medal.

Interesting. What sort of ribbon-Iraqi national colors?

Well-ok the Jordanian group I lost on eBay was Arab legion, but the chap was Arab and he stayed in the army until @ 1979! His last medal was the 1977 Hussien jubilee medal. It went for a lot of cash and I wish i'd 'borrowed' the pics now. I am reaching in memory on the Egyptian group, but I am certain I saw the lot with the 39/45 star and the war medal. I assumed it was for garrison duties.