laurentius

Lovely painting Claudio, although I think the hanseatic cross is from Bremen rather than Hamburg. A Bavarian with several orders and a zentenarenmedaille should be easy to identify. Fingers crossed. Kind regards, Laurentius

I agree, both the cross and the ribbon show convincing similarities.

To use devices was often a choice made by the owner, not something which was regulated. There were lots of differences between the post-1933 regulations (which were basically an amendment of the Prussian regulations) and the Bavarian wartime regulations. Rick L used to have a list of Bavarian precedence on WAF, which I sadly cannot find at the moment, however, Wartime awards, even from different states, had precedence over peacetime awards from their own state. The problem with ribbonbars and medalbars in general is that one can usually find an example of every possible combination one can think of. Kind regards, Laurentius

Bavarians can be rather capricious when it comes to medalbars. Although it goes against precedence most of the Bavarian officers went their own way. I managed to find a picture on the forum of a medalbar where the MVO4x and the MVO4 are seperated. I know there are atleast several other ones on this forum, but this is the first one I found.

I don't think it was this one either, since Friedrich Franz wasn't alive during the Napoleonic wars. I'm still fairly confident in my choice, the Prussian Red Cross decoration.

We often see this yes, although it goes against the precedence regulations set by the Bavarian state. My safest bet would be behind the EK or behind the Anhalt Friedrichkreuz.

Swords take precedence. The peace-time MVO would either go behind the EK or behind the Anhalt Friedrichkreuz, both would be acceptable for a Bavarian. Hope this helps

Which piece in the collection do you refer to? ?? In all honesty though, every single piece in the picture would make a fine addition to this thread.

I disagree, unless he is wearing a smaller version of the Jubiläumsdenkmünze it doesn't fit. I would also be inclined to wonder why a prince from Mecklenburg got a medal meant for former Hannoverian troops, when Mecklenburg served on the opposite side during the war. In my opinion this is the German red cross medal. Kind regards, Laurentius

Yes, in this order (MVO4x, EK2, Anhalt Friedrichkreuz, ÖMVK, JM, BDA)

In all three cases the MVO would not be pushed off, this would only happen if the officer got two MVO's in the same conflict

I think we need a bit more info to be able to give proper advice, however, I can already answer some of your questions Awards were worn up untill the moment Romania joined the war, this does however not mean he would have worn his Romanian awards, since most officers tried to keep their ribbonbar down to the bare essentials. A MVO4x would not push a MVO4 of a bar, since they were earned at different times they were allowed to be worn together. Austrian awards would be worn on the ribbonbar/medalbar. There are pictures of German officers wearing a ribbonbar plus an Austrian trifold, but this was usually on the date of bestowel, which for many German soldiers was one of the few moments they were actually photographed. This would be correct if there were no other decorations up untill that point. The EK2 was often worn through the buttonhole, therefore they didn't need to update their ribbonbar. Hope this helps, Kind regards, Laurentius

The contrast couldn't be greater indeed, however, this is not the fault of Joseph Luns. Prince Claus was known for hating grandeur and 'unnecessary' clothing. He was the most unlikely royal one might say. He died as he lived, not in a palace, but in a cottage, near the forest, on a palace estate.

He has been identified in a different thread here on GMIC, I can't seem to find it although I remember he worked in railways/forestry. Kind regards, Laurentius

It is indeed the 2nd class of the Kronenorden. Just inside the red circle of the Stern, at the bottom, we see a few pixels which I believe to be a ray of the Star of the FJO.

I don't think an ID is possible, only the RAO, KDM and LOE would show up in the ranklists. The Order of the Oakcrown is a pre-1890 award (Dutch rather than Luxemburgian) and the RAO is pre-1885. This gives it a bit of a window which might help, you never know

Here is a picture of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands wearing the Prinzessinenkreuz of the Order. Given the fact that she wears the Order of the Dutch Lion and not the Military Order of William I'd put this picture in the latter part of the 30's. Kind regards, Laurentius

Probably just a small mistake. He most likely quickly popped it on for a picture and forgot it's also on his ribbonbar. Perhaps a picture for the 'Mistakes in Wear'-thread. Kind regards, Laurentius

He's hardly a victim, he is someone who is unworthy of a streetname. New times bring new insights, which is exactly why they are changing it. Every museum would be willing to, for the same reason every historical museum is willing to put up SS stuff, controversy sells. They had the best army in Africa because they paid the best. The BRD payed out pensions well into the '60s

Fourth medal from the left looks like the Verdienstmedaille zum Württembergische Kronenorden

It is a rather big award. Württemberg had a connection to the Netherlands, which untill 1890 was ruled in a personal union together with Luxembourg. I think you are correct here. Ribbon, shape and size all seem to check out for the Waldeck-Pyrmont Verdienstkreuz 3. Klasse.

But no Medal of Freedom, peculair, you'd say he would put that on his miniature bar

Dear fellow collectors, whilst exploring the internet of things I came across this picture of Queen Juliana. Initially I was interested in the jewelery that the Queen was wearing, untill I noticed the nice moustachio'd man on the right. I believe this to be Willem drees, given his moustache, length and general appearance. His wikipediapage gives us only the American Medal of Freedom and the Dutch Order of Orange-Nassau, however, in this picture he seems to have atleast a dozen decorations. Would any of the Dutch collectors be able to help me out with the medals? Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

My oh my, I have rarely seen a picture with the Luxemburgian Order of the Gold lion of Nassau (second to last on the Schnalle). I might be wrong here, but I think this might be the rarest order on the medalbar. Here is a picture of Johan van Panhuys who wears the commander grade of the order.

It largely depends on the order, but I'd say that this rule would apply for almost all peacetime orders, given some exceptions.