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The Oath at Kaiser Karls crowning day to King of Hungary on 30th December 1916. On the left must have been the "iron crown corner" ...

Interresting that he decided to sew his medals on a ribbon bar... or was this done later by another person?

Ok, I'm sorry, I did not know that... Unfortunately I can not delete it, so I would ask a moderator to do so...

Here's another bar with two Saxe-Ernestines:

Well the ribbon seems to be a Lippe-Hausorden one? And I am not sure about this Militärdienstzeichen, it looks a bit sloppy???

Wow! That's a nice one. Congratulations!

One extraordinary brillant piece was sold today for 161.900€. It belonged to Kaiserin Charlotte von Mexiko. For sure one of the rarest austrian order insignias.

A fleece neck decoration in Prinzengröße that was sold today at the Dorotheum for 137 500€. It belonged to Kaiser Maximilian von Mexiko. After his death it was given back to his adults, who gave it Crown prince Rudolf as to remember his uncle. Then it went to his daughter Erzherzogin Elisabeth and the to her heirs.

Like You I know many paintings of people wearing multiple sashs, but saw this style only at Wilhelm I. I was doing lot of research in sash wearing over the last weeks. Does anyone know if there are already articles or other publications about sash waring styles and origins?

Beautiful! Do we know the owner?

That's the only painting I know where such reduced sashs are worn, does anyone know another photograph or painting with the same style of wearing?

Hi Elmar, that was very interesting, thank you for sharing with us. When I started collecting I thought the collars were only given to some grand cross recipients cause there are so few on the market... It also explains the high prices for golden Leopold crosses, even knights class. Angelo Baron Rinaldini was born in Triest. But his wife was living, like him in Vienna, I suppose. He was Sektionschef in the k.u.k. Ackerbauministerium (agricultural ministry) If you have more information about his family, let me know Yesterday I digitalized the documents I have about him (about a hundred, including a letter informing him that he is allowed to ware the prussian crown order III. class, or the letter informing him about getting the Freiherrenstand) If you are interested I can send them to you via email.

In Austria they were called back too: (...) the (...) widow (...) should give back the golden knights cross of the Leopold Order until 14 days (...)

Orders were collected in in the first republic too. I don't know what happened to them, but I think they were molten... (...) the (...) widow (...) should give back the golden knights cross of the Leopold Order until 14 days (...)

I don't know if it has already been shared here, but I didn't find anything... The following information is mostly from the magazine of the “Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde” Nr. 66. The article is also available online if you are fluent in German and further interested. The article contains information to every award on the chain. This is one of the longest miniature chains I know. It was owned by Dr. Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach – a member of the well-known industrial family It is exhibited in the Villa Hügel, the Krupp – Mansion. It contains 48! Miniatures of the decorations he received. It was made by Godet around 1910 and updated till the end of the first world war. The full decorations are unfortunately gone since the end of the second world war, when the Villa Hügel was occupied and the archive confiscated by the Americans and English. (seems like some of the them took some souvenirs from there). He got the iron cross 2nd class on the 17th of January 1915, but not on the non-combatant ribbon but the normal Kämpferband, before it was started to award the EK with the Kämpferband for military merit in the homeland in March 1915 (in my opinion a stupid decision, dishonouring the brave man, who fought at the front). On the 17th of April 1916 he also got the first class, when visiting the German HQ in France, another time rather unconventional for an industrial. The author of the article concluded that Krupp saw his decorations rather as an award for his business than himself. (so we can see the his EK1 as an award for his workers…)

Generally its somehow funny at phaleristics, that getting literature is a collecting field itself... There are so few digitalised things to get

Highly interesting, thank you for sharing!

They celebrated the end of the Befreiungskriege in 1913 in Kelheim: They are few pictures with that amount of lametta... (Would be a nice colorization project...) Would be interesting to indentify some of them I especially like those Bavarian Hartschiere and the boys from the bavarian Pagenkorps

There a LOT of different versions of the red eagle order and crown order (fantastic for every collector). I know many illustrations, but are there any with ALL versions on it?

Fantastic! That identifying always amazes me. That bar is absolutely beautiful. I love the look of the Oldenburg Verdienstorden out of Gold, a beautiful decoration.

I have gone through the thread, horrible. That must be the worst case for any collector beside a fire. If I remember correctly it was the same thief, who stole the items out of Hohenschwangau castle in Bavaria (only half went back to the castle, if there aren't new informations already)

A quick translation draft: Leibtruppen. (literally "Body-Troups") The oweners of the regiments in 16th and 17th century were chef of a company of theire regiment too und got theire incummings from that, there duty was provided by a Kapitänleutnant (also called Stabskapitän). Such companys were named Leibkompanien. The first company of regiments, whose owner was the lands Fürst(prince) or a prince of his house, had this name too. In that sence the first company of the prussian 1st guard regiment by foot is also today called Leibkomanie, the 1st squadron of the prussian Garde du Corps Leibeskadron, the 1st driving battery of the guard field artillery regiment Leibbatterie, but the officer who commands them is the real company or squadron chief. In the german army further the 1st company of the infantry regmients number 115 to 117 are Leibkompanien and the 1st squadrons of the dragoon regmients number 23 and 24 Leibeskadrons. The third battalions of the infantry regiments number 92 and 118 are called Leibbattaillone. Leib-regiments are the prussian grenadier regiment number 8, the saxon grenadier regiment nr. 100, the Baden grenadier regiment nr. 109, the hessian infantry regiment nr. 115, the bavarian infantry leib regiment, the Leib-Gardehusarenregiment (guard hussars), the Leib-Gardeartellerieregiment (artillery regiment), the prussian hussar regiments nr. 1 and 2, the Baden dragoon regiment nr. 20, the hessian dragoon regiment nr. 24. In Russia single troup parts are called L., in Austria-Hungary now only the Leibgarden (s.Haustruppen (house troops)) It seems like the transition to guards is somehow fluent? ...

In my opinion with unnamed pieces it isn't a problem at all, you never know, they could even be completely put together. But at pieces with provenance it should be mentioned. When I buy a piece that as given to xy I want to be sure that all pieces were really given to xy. I personally do also add things but I do additionally to my notations add a card to the etui were such things are written on. Generally I would like to add some thoughts: It always hurts my stomach when I see such extraordinary groups (e.g. the whole Leonrod group) being separated. But I understand that a whole group would be hardly sellable and most likely the next owner (maybe a seller rather than a collector) tears them apart. Only a donation to a museum could prevent a separation... But somehow annoying is in my opinion that some collectors pay thousands of euros for e.g. a grand cross and then don't by the corresponding document (which are in different lots most time). The probability that the provenance gets lost over time is quite high. At least at medal bars its a very practical that most german bars are sewn together. Austrian bars or groups are much harder to find as they aren't sewn together most times. (For the Leonrod bar there even was a lot with the etuis to the bar, they will most likely never come together again) I personally love to know who was the recipient of a decoration, thats half of its meaning beside craftmanship, look and rareness. Just collecting for the "Bling" is somehow disrespectfull to the recipient at least in my opinion.

The current Head of the house of Württemberg Carl Herzog von Württemberg wearing diamond fleeces:

His austrian Franz-Joseph-Orden-Großkreuz just appeared at Weitze too. Again he doubled the price and its already reserved. What I find interesting is that he upgraded it with the missing sash. That isn't mentioned in the description. What is your your opinion, should such things be mentioned when done? (There is still the option that the sash was hidden under the bed, but thats very unlikely as the other grand crosses at the auction were all displayed with the sash) At the auction: At Weitze: