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I found a picture of Archduke Rudolph of Austria, Cardinal and Archbishop of Olmütz (or Olomouc in english), waering the grandcross of the order of Saint Stephen and what's more interesting he's wearing, what I think is the Hausorden der Rautenkrone (House Order of the Rue Crown) behind it.
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As you know there were and are special grandcross sashes for priests in austria, that are worn around the neck. Were they only a austrian phenomen or do they exist elsewhere? Archbishop Vincenc Eduard Milde: (Source: Wikipedia) Cardinal-Archbishop Joseph Othmar Ritter von Rauscher: (Source: Wikipedia) Cardinal-Archbishop Johann Rudolf Kutschker: (Source Wikipedia) Another picture from Kutschker: Cardinal-Archbishop Friedrich Gustav Piffl: (also Wikipedia, look at that Red Cross star!) If you wonder, in the first Republic these sashes or should I say giant neckbands still existetd: Cardinal-Archbishop Theodor Innitzer (Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um die Republik Österreich). He's wearing the beautiful Cappa Magna (rearaly seen today). The painting is by Tom von Dreger, he also painted Cardinal Piffl. von Dreger did also paint Kaiser Franz Joseph I as British field marshal (I think his batton and Garter can be seen at the HGM in Vienna) in 1913 (Quelle: Belvedere Wien) By the way, isn't it forbidden to where both the collar and the sash or "Greater and Lesser George" of the order of the garter together... But back to the topic. Those priest sashes also exist for the 1952 Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um die Republik Österreich. Last year His Excellancy The Apostolic Nuntius Archbishop Zurbriggen (Yes I love those titles) went into retirement: And at the end heres a priest version of a grand cross of the order of the Iron Crown: I would love to see more pictures and get more information about this beatuiful variety.
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Austria-Hungary Imperial Austrian Military Merit Cross
Utgardloki replied to Noor's topic in Austro-Hungarian Empire
Those are nice pieces Christian. Thank you for sharing. I would appreciate that, thanks -
Franz-Joseph-Orden extreme price
Utgardloki replied to Utgardloki's topic in Austro-Hungarian Empire
Thats what I thought, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert, so I still thought maybe its a super special fancy version, which is so rear it's worth the price... -
Austria-Hungary Imperial Austrian Military Merit Cross
Utgardloki replied to Noor's topic in Austro-Hungarian Empire
That book is so beautiful, i am still looking for a copy, they are hard to find. -
I found this Franz Joseph Kleindekoration at Weitze, the price is 48850€ Is it really that rear. In the description they say they have it on offer for the first time since 30 years
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Austria-Hungary Imperial Austrian Military Merit Cross
Utgardloki replied to Noor's topic in Austro-Hungarian Empire
Thank you very much for youre answer! I know the K.D. means Kriegsdekoration, I was just wondering if there were etuis especially made for the Kleindekoration like for example for the Ordern der Eisernen Krone. I have not seen that with the MVK. I always have doubts about the Kleindekorationen cause it seems easy to raise the price of a piece just by ading the little metal peace. -
Wearing other state orders, Chinese Empire officials
Utgardloki replied to 1812 Overture's topic in China
That's really extremely interesting, I like those chinese uniforms. Thank you for posting! -
Austria-Hungary Imperial Austrian Military Merit Cross
Utgardloki replied to Noor's topic in Austro-Hungarian Empire
I found this one: Is that Kleindekoration genuine and was this etui used for the Kleindekoration. (was there maybe a case with "Kleindekoration" on it)? -
Thats a current decoration from the 2nd Republic. It's called "Wehrdienstzeichen 1.Klasse für 25 Jahre" I bought mine for I think 25 euros. It was created in 1963 as "Bundesheerdienstzeichen" and renamed to the current name in 1989.
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This was after 1919, so he just got the "von" as part of his name, but not as "Adelsprädikat", somehow similiar to Lichtenberg. The line of the Ribbentrop family Joachim Robbentrop was part of hasn't been nobilitated, but others. Gertrud von Ribbentrop, who adopted him was a far relative. The "Deutscher Adelsausschuß" calls this "Scheinadel", I don't know an english expression. I don't think Bernadotte was considered a Holstein
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Yes thats true, but somehow different, cause he was just legitimated as king through the adoption i think. Charles XIII was a member of the the house Holstein-Gottorf, but Bernadotte didn't become a member of it. With him the new House of Bernadotte was established. I am sure he was nobilitated by Napoleon before. I'm not an expert but I doubt the old rules of the nobility would have legitimated something like that, but cause of the power of Napoleon there was nothing to put against it.
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It is not "awarded" (awarded is somehow wrong for Orders of chivalry as you get included as memeber of the chivalric community with the decoration as insignia, this led to some controversy when they included double award bars in WWI for example at the Austrian Leopold order as you can't become member of the symbolic community two times) by the austrian state as official decoration, but from the Habsburgs as dynastic Order. In 1953 this was accepted officially by the austrian government. The members are only men of the aristocracy. Current grandmaster is the head of the Habsburg family "Archduke" Karl.
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If you allow me to answer for you 1812, "Österreichs Orden und Ehrenzeichen" von Dr. M. Christian Ortner und Dr. Georg Ludwigstorff Or the english version "Austrian Orders and Decorations" Ortner is the director of the Heeresgeschichtles Museum in Vienna. It's an excelent book! A must have for anyone interested in Austrian orders.