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That is of course correct Graham - but overture1812's question is about one without markings, which do exist, I gather, but pics will be needed to confirm authenticity or otherwise.

Graham is right - please post pics. A good friend of mine who is very knowledgable on these says unmarked good grosses exist, but to be sure we (he) would need to see it.

I think it is common courtesy to use such pics for personal reference only, and not post them as if they were your own - in the end, another fellow collector has paid for them. often handsomely. I know the perspective on this may differ from culture to culture, and I also realize copyright in pics posted on e-bay vests in the seller, not in the buyer. But I think it is a matter of etiquette not to post what you don't own when it comes to pics bought by others. With pics posted on open source references, the etiquette in my view is slightly different - those you can re-post as long as you credit the owner. Of course, legal requirements may be stricter than that. The crap they offer as real? Good deals can still be had on e-bay, but they are now few and far between.

Yes, compliments, very well done

No, but I'd say late 50's/early 60's, from the looks of them.

Hear hear!

I saw these pics on a social media forum and share them here as I thought the might be of interest. Credits go to fellow member Andreas Schulze Ising and @Phil Slack

What is it supposed to be? It certainly has a very unusual shape, plate and Feldzeichen look crude, and it seems to be a mixture of EM (cockarden, Feldzeichen) and officer rank (chin scales) items. Compare to: https://ageofkingsmilitaria.com/prussian-jaeger-officer-shako-ensemble-parade-with-original-case https://www.weitze.net/cgi-bin/suche/suche.pl?q=tschako Personally, I would pass on it. BTW, it is fairly easy (and actually fun and educational) to do this kind of research yourself. Simply check out some of the dealer sites will give you a feel of whether the item in hand is problematic. It will not tell you with certainty if it is real - but the issues identified above are readily identifiable with a simple web search. And I see Simi responded to your original post the same day you asked for opinions (basically noting similar points to those set out above) - so what is the panic about? Regards, Sandro

Vielen Dank, Waldo, alles Klar und Ihr English ist sehr gut verständlich.

Excellent contribution Waldo, thank you. So the Verzichnis Nrn. in the list match the Matrikelnr. of the MJO bestowed on the person listed?

Pleasure. I discussed the question of matching matrikelnumbers to recipients with Andreas Thies some time ago, and gather that ended, one has to go to the archives. I also understood high Martrikelnumbers to exist: that would argue against resistance of pieces using the old numbers. Thies just auctioned von Bothmer's MMJO knights cross with case and document. That cross had number 33, and according to he catalogue description, had been issued before to Ritter von Hopfner. in that context, he refers to Rudolf von Kramer, p74, presumably a reference to Virtuti Pro Patria Is there a specific cross/Matrikelnumber you are researching? If so, can you share? Thies, for example, has sold a fair number of identified MMJO's over time - perhaps a search of his catalogues can help tie a Matrikelnumber to an awardee?

Here are the lists I think Christophe refers to: They give award numbers, though, not Matrikelnummern from a quick glance.

Pleasure Simi. Like you, I've never seen it - but if time permits this weekend I'll take out the books and if I find anything I'll share it here. Sandro

Very interesting post Simi, thanks for this.

Graham is right, that’s the one I had in mind. I think it looks a bit strange, though and I don’t recognize the ‘“fm” mark, so as said, it would be good if we could see the whole item.

Looks like a Austrian 750 silver mark to me, but the shape seems a bit weird. It may help if you post a pic showing the entire object.

You did well, Chris, congrats.

So you got the Leonrod pieces? Congrats Chris. I think I first posted that last pic in hte Castell thread - it is either from my collection or from the web, I'd need to check. Sandro

Thanks Simi, I've learned something. Cheers, Sandro

Thanks Christophe, I used the "S" to denote Schleife (and ignored the crown), but forgot that it was used for Schwerter. My bad. Cheers, Sandro

Daniel, Do you agree with the ID of the combo set out above? Best, Sandro

Simi, I hink you're right that the bar may have been made for collector purposes (and think so mostly because of the strange combination of decorations and the order in which they are mounted, an issue also flagged by Christophe) but why the Silver Merit cross with swords? I "read" the bar as: - EK II with 1914 Spange - WMVO knightscross; - Württemberg Friedrichsorden, knights cross (presumably 1st class) with swords; - Orden der Württembergische Krone, knights cross with swords (which I thought came before the WFO); - Baden, Orden Berthold des Ersten with Swords (?), which if correctly identified, I would expect to come after the PROA3mS - PROA3mS, which strikes me as an unusual award for a Württemberg senior officer; -Osterreich, Goldenes Verdienstkreuz mit Krone (again unusual on a foreign bar - I would expect an FJO or given rank, ÖEK); -as Christophe noted, commemorative ribbon of 1870-71 - Zentenarmedaille; _ Chinadenkmünze - Kolonialdenkmünze Charles, have you asked Helmut for his views of the bar (not exactly the thing of highest value in this particular offering), or for pics of the back?

The pic is not from a book, it ifs from Helmut Weitze's site: https://www.weitze.net/militaria/60/Wuerttemberg_Feldbluse_M_1910_fuer_einen_Generalmajor__358660.html. As the description mentions, the tunic (including, from memory, the ribbon bar) are featured in Baldwin and Fisher's field grey book, which shows pieces that mostly come out of the well documented, beautiful and very extensive Marshall V. Daut collection. A bit of a coy way to ask a question .... Sandro

Bayern, Adler 1 passend away. Kind regards, Sandro