Luftwaffe Luftwaffe Pioneer Flight Tunic

[robert pierce]

Showing my ignorance here,

What is a 'pioneer' tunic? I've seen midwar Luftwaffe flight tunics with black collar tabs instead of the usual yellow described as 'pioneer'. ???

I remember seeing a Panzer wrapper with white/black twisted piping, pioneer.

Robert

Edited July 8, 2007 by robert pierce

[Naxos]

Robert,

not quite sure what you are asking, but if I understand you right

you mean Luftwaffe combat engineer - It woud be springendes Personal ie Paratrooper

Paratrooper combat engineer would wear a flight tunic with black tabs

Hardy

[robert pierce]

Thank you,

That's exactly what I was looking for - one gull on black tab. Combat engineer, huh? The dealer called it a flight 'pioneer.' I'll have a look at the piping color on the shoulder boards. Are these black as well?

Robert

[Naxos]

Thank you,

That's exactly what I was looking for - one gull on black tab. Combat engineer, huh? The dealer called it a flight 'pioneer.' I'll have a look at the piping color on the shoulder boards. Are these black as well?

Robert

Yes

Para award to a Luftwaffe Combat engineer

Regards, Hardy

[robert pierce]

Yes, I believe you, certainly. I just looked again, and it said 'Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Unteroffizier of Pioneer troops.'

Black piping outside of litzen.

Robert

[Paul R]

Yes, I believe you, certainly. I just looked again, and it said 'Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Unteroffizier of Pioneer troops.'

Black piping outside of litzen.

Robert

Here is something I put together on the topic... I hope that it helps!!

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187

[jcsanche]

Hi Robert

LW pioneer tunics are rare. I would like to get one as I collect Heer pioneer. I have a question. Were they had the black tabs factory applied or applied by the soldier after been issued.

I had seen some on dealers sites, but none that I have felt confortable it was an "original" LW pionner tunic.

regards

Juan

[robert pierce]

Here is something I put together on the topic... I hope that it helps!!

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187

Thank you very much for your help. Well done! This makes it very clear to me now.

Robert

[Paul R]

Thank you very much for your help. Well done! This makes it very clear to me now.

Robert

Glad to help!

[Gene]

Here's an Unteroffizier Pionier Fliegerbluse and visor cap

Edited July 8, 2007 by Gene

[robert pierce]

That is a great uniform. The visor was probably harder to find than the tunic, unless they came together. What a wonderful and rare display! Would you please show us the stampings inside the tunic, if you wouldn't mind? Is the gull applied before the tab was sewn on, or after?

Luftwaffe GAB?

Robert

Edited July 9, 2007 by robert pierce

[Gene]

I don't want to take it off the torso form but it is LBA marked as well as stamped Peek & Cloppenburg Rotterdam. The gulls on the collar tabs have been added after the tabs were sewn down. Oh yes, the visor is possibly more rare than the Fliegerbluse but then again an unmonkeyed-with Fliegerbluse like this one is extremely difficult to find. The badge I have affixed to it is a para badge.

[robert pierce]

Thank you very much, Gene. I've been looking at a pioneer tunic like yours, and talking with the seller about the piece. It's on hold for me until I either make up my mind to buy, or decide to slide. I was just curious why yours didn't have the Juft GAB on it. Oh well, they can't have everything. The tunic I'm looking at is very nice, near mint. I need to get some photos to post to have you guys a chance to see it, and give me the final verdict. The collar tabs have been factory sewn, the gull added later. It's also a Unteroffizier with litzen. I'll do my best for photos soon.

Robert

[Paul R]

As usual Gene, that is one killer set!!

[Bob Lyons]

As usual Gene, that is one killer set!! )

And I can only echo what Paul said Gene, ... magnificent.! (and I lust after your visor cap )

Bob

Edited July 10, 2007 by Bob Lyons

[luftguy]

I can not see Gene's uniform. Is it just me?

Bill

[nesredep]

I can not see Gene's uniform. Is it just me?

Bill

Hi

Me too.

Nesredep

[airborne steve]

Here is a RLM or Bau troop NCO tunic. I wish I could say this tunic was mine but it is not. Here only for point of discussion.

Steve

Edited August 5, 2007 by airborne steve

[airborne steve]

Another view

[airborne steve]

Tab

[airborne steve]

Strap.

[Bob Lyons]

Now there is something you don't see every day, thanks for posting it Steve.

Bob

[nesredep]

Hi

Nice example.

Nesredep

[jcsanche]

Hi Steve

Could you post photos of the eagle on the LW pioneer flierbluse?

thanks

Juan

[airborne steve]

No problem