robert pierce Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Showing my ignorance here,What is a 'pioneer' tunic? I've seen midwar Luftwaffe flight tunics with black collar tabs instead of the usual yellow described as 'pioneer'. ??? I remember seeing a Panzer wrapper with white/black twisted piping, pioneer.Robert Edited July 8, 2007 by robert pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Robert, not quite sure what you are asking, but if I understand you rightyou mean Luftwaffe combat engineer - It woud be springendes Personal ie ParatrooperParatrooper combat engineer would wear a flight tunic with black tabsHardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thank you, That's exactly what I was looking for - one gull on black tab. Combat engineer, huh? The dealer called it a flight 'pioneer.' I'll have a look at the piping color on the shoulder boards. Are these black as well?Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thank you, That's exactly what I was looking for - one gull on black tab. Combat engineer, huh? The dealer called it a flight 'pioneer.' I'll have a look at the piping color on the shoulder boards. Are these black as well?RobertYesPara award to a Luftwaffe Combat engineerRegards, Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yes, I believe you, certainly. I just looked again, and it said 'Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Unteroffizier of Pioneer troops.'Black piping outside of litzen.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yes, I believe you, certainly. I just looked again, and it said 'Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Unteroffizier of Pioneer troops.'Black piping outside of litzen.RobertHere is something I put together on the topic... I hope that it helps!!http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsanche Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hi Robert LW pioneer tunics are rare. I would like to get one as I collect Heer pioneer. I have a question. Were they had the black tabs factory applied or applied by the soldier after been issued. I had seen some on dealers sites, but none that I have felt confortable it was an "original" LW pionner tunic.regardsJuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 Here is something I put together on the topic... I hope that it helps!!http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187Thank you very much for your help. Well done! This makes it very clear to me now.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thank you very much for your help. Well done! This makes it very clear to me now.RobertGlad to help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Here's an Unteroffizier Pionier Fliegerbluse and visor cap Edited July 8, 2007 by Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 (edited) That is a great uniform. The visor was probably harder to find than the tunic, unless they came together. What a wonderful and rare display! Would you please show us the stampings inside the tunic, if you wouldn't mind? Is the gull applied before the tab was sewn on, or after?Luftwaffe GAB?Robert Edited July 9, 2007 by robert pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I don't want to take it off the torso form but it is LBA marked as well as stamped Peek & Cloppenburg Rotterdam. The gulls on the collar tabs have been added after the tabs were sewn down. Oh yes, the visor is possibly more rare than the Fliegerbluse but then again an unmonkeyed-with Fliegerbluse like this one is extremely difficult to find. The badge I have affixed to it is a para badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 Thank you very much, Gene. I've been looking at a pioneer tunic like yours, and talking with the seller about the piece. It's on hold for me until I either make up my mind to buy, or decide to slide. I was just curious why yours didn't have the Juft GAB on it. Oh well, they can't have everything. The tunic I'm looking at is very nice, near mint. I need to get some photos to post to have you guys a chance to see it, and give me the final verdict. The collar tabs have been factory sewn, the gull added later. It's also a Unteroffizier with litzen. I'll do my best for photos soon. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 As usual Gene, that is one killer set!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lyons Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) As usual Gene, that is one killer set!! ) And I can only echo what Paul said Gene, ... magnificent.! (and I lust after your visor cap )Bob Edited July 10, 2007 by Bob Lyons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luftguy Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I can not see Gene's uniform. Is it just me?Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I can not see Gene's uniform. Is it just me?BillHiMe too. Nesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne steve Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 (edited) Here is a RLM or Bau troop NCO tunic. I wish I could say this tunic was mine but it is not. Here only for point of discussion.Steve Edited August 5, 2007 by airborne steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne steve Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Another view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne steve Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne steve Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lyons Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Now there is something you don't see every day, thanks for posting it Steve.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 HiNice example. Nesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsanche Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Hi Steve Could you post photos of the eagle on the LW pioneer flierbluse?thanksJuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne steve Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 No problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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