Hungary My Hungarian collection

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

A few more pieces to add. On the first three I'm awaiting their arrival from Hungary:

I don't know the name for this first one but Charles says there were only around 9,900 awarded and in it's nice case to boot:

A cased Order of Labor in silver which means I now have all three grades cased:

And a cased Bronze Fire Prevention Department Medal in what Charles says is an early case:

I'll be sure to add better pics/scans of these when they arrive and will also add them to the other appropriate threads.

Also these three pics are the seller's (Lajos Jakab - aka Qajszi on Ebay) and used with his permission.

Edited March 18, 2008 by Hauptman

[Hauptmann]

My Hungarian Police medal in gold which I've had for a while now:

[Hauptmann]

And now my silver:

So now all I need is the Bronze for the full set.

Dan

[hunyadi]

Hi Dan - breeding these eh?

The one is:

Order of Merit of the Socialist Nation awarded in 1967 on May 1st to 9516 of the 'die hard' old bolseviks.

[Hauptmann]

Hi Dan - breeding these eh?

The one is:

Order of Merit of the Socialist Nation awarded in 1967 on May 1st to 9516 of the 'die hard' old bolseviks.

Well, trying... if that doesn't work perhaps cloning? Many thanks for the title of the award my friend. I was at a loss on that one. Can't wait till they arrive... hopefully sometime next week. Keeping my fingers tightly crossed!

Dan

[Ulsterman]

Nice!

I suspect that one day the Merit medal will be one of the top medals collected. It's always very interesting to see photos of them being worn....or rather, who is wearing them.

Edited March 19, 2008 by Ulsterman

[hipnos]

Well, trying... if that doesn't work perhaps cloning? Many thanks for the title of the award my friend. I was at a loss on that one. Can't wait till they arrive... hopefully sometime next week. Keeping my fingers tightly crossed!

Dan

Hi Haupmann, I?ve some Hungarian Comm medals in my collection, but I don?t know nothing about they.

If you?re interested I?ll trade this group for any medal from before 1945, (european), better german,or romanian, german, bulgarian, etc...

Thanks

Please tel me about the medals I?ve; the extreme?s medals...I suppose that they are a pair od GC&LS medal...?

Thanks a lot

Miguel

Edited March 19, 2008 by hipnos

[Hauptmann]

Hi Haupmann, I?ve some Hungarian Comm medals in my collection, but I don?t know nothing about they.

If you?re interested I?ll trade this group for any medal from before 1945, (european), better german,or romanian, german, bulgarian, etc...

Thanks

Please tel me about the medals I?ve; the extreme?s medals...I suppose that they are a pair od GC&LS medal...?

Thanks a lot

Miguel

Hi Miguel,

Thanks for letting me know on the group and for the pic. I "may" be intro'd but the problem is I don't think I currently have anything left to trade. I've pretty much gotten rid of all my extras, things I was not in particular need of, etc. I'll try to get the time to look back through and see if I still have anything like that but can't promise that I do.

Please send me a PM with any specific wants and if possible a price for the group if you just want to sell it outright. Perhaps we can work something out.

As far as telling you more about them I think Charles or Gordon could do a much better job on that. I've still got alot to learn myself and I'd be afraid of putting my foot in my mouth.

I can say that the second one from the left is the police medal in silver which is the same as mine that I pictured right above it. The one to the right of that is I believe called the Fatherland medal and looks to be the one in bronze. The other medals I leave to the others as they're two I don't have. They both look to be 10 year awards but with the difference in ribbon I'm guessing for different branches of the military or difference organizations or?

Dan

[hipnos]

Hi Miguel,

Thanks for letting me know on the group and for the pic. I "may" be intro'd but the problem is I don't think I currently have anything left to trade. I've pretty much gotten rid of all my extras, things I was not in particular need of, etc. I'll try to get the time to look back through and see if I still have anything like that but can't promise that I do.

Please send me a PM with any specific wants and if possible a price for the group if you just want to sell it outright. Perhaps we can work something out.

As far as telling you more about them I think Charles or Gordon could do a much better job on that. I've still got alot to learn myself and I'd be afraid of putting my foot in my mouth.

I can say that the second one from the left is the police medal in silver which is the same as mine that I pictured right above it. The one to the right of that is I believe called the Fatherland medal and looks to be the one in bronze. The other medals I leave to the others as they're two I don't have. They both look to be 10 year awards but with the difference in ribbon I'm guessing for different branches of the military or difference organizations or?

Dan

Not a problem...I leave town tomorrow to a trip to turkey with family...I?ll return 28th...The medals will stay there. I prefer trade...but..

regards

miguel

[Gordon Craig]

Hipnos, Dan,

I didn't answer this question re the medals as I was leaving for Canada due to a death in the family. I thought that Charles would probably answer it but since he hasn't I'll make a stab from memory as my books are at home. The 15 year medal on the left and the ten year medal on the right were long service awards. In 1965 they were discontinued as a military award as a new design had been ceated for the military long service awards. When presented to the military these medals were blank on the reverse. When these medals were discontinued for the military it was decided that they should be awarded for long service to civilians working for the armed forces. To differentiate them from the earlier military awards there were two lines of printing added to the back. If memory serves me right, this was something like "Hondvedelmi Erdemerem". Since it would take some time to produce these long service awards with the raised lettering on the back surplus awards with a plain back had the wording engraved on the backs for approximately one year when sufficient stocks of the new medal became available and were issued. Therefore, these medals come in three different variations as explained above. I believe the ribbons on these two medals are correct.

I'll leave a response on the other two medals for later.

Regards,

Gordon

[hunyadi]

Gordon - my condolances.

Gordon did a great explination on the two outter medals. These were the type issued in 1964 as long service medals to individuals in uniform. The following year a new design was created and a Gordon explained this type was set for civilian contractors in the ministry of defense.

THe silver police medal looks to be a nice early type with hot enamel on the prismatic star. As Dan pointed out this is the silver type: issued for 15 years of service in the police forces.

Lastly you have the 'Service to the Fatherland' medal in bronze. This was the first medal designed and issued by decree of the Ministry of Defense (boefre it had been the council of ministers or the presidents council who created medals and orders) in 1956, just a month before the October 23rd revolution... Though after the revolution of 1956 the medal was continued. Though in my opinion one of the most honorable looking medals - it was only awarded for a 'good job' - 'pat on the back' type of medal. The bronze being the lowest grade.

[Hauptmann]

Hipnos, Dan,

I didn't answer this question re the medals as I was leaving for Canada due to a death in the family. I thought that Charles would probably answer it but since he hasn't I'll make a stab from memory as my books are at home. The 15 year medal on the left and the ten year medal on the right were long service awards. In 1965 they were discontinued as a military award as a new design had been ceated for the military long service awards. When presented to the military these medals were blank on the reverse. When these medals were discontinued for the military it was decided that they should be awarded for long service to civilians working for the armed forces. To differentiate them from the earlier military awards there were two lines of printing added to the back. If memory serves me right, this was something like "Hondvedelmi Erdemerem". Since it would take some time to produce these long service awards with the raised lettering on the back surplus awards with a plain back had the wording engraved on the backs for approximately one year when sufficient stocks of the new medal became available and were issued. Therefore, these medals come in three different variations as explained above. I believe the ribbons on these two medals are correct.

I'll leave a response on the other two medals for later.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

My sincere and deep condolences my friend. Hope everyone is doing okay. Many thanks for jumping in on this one. You and Charles both tend to give much more informed answers on these although Charles kindly sent over some info to me which I received today which will help a great deal. So much to learn and so little time these days... not to mention brain power. I feel like I've been running on fumes for months. But I'm off for the next two days to hoping that will help.

Dan

[Hauptmann]

Gordon - my condolances.

Gordon did a great explination on the two outter medals. These were the type issued in 1964 as long service medals to individuals in uniform. The following year a new design was created and a Gordon explained this type was set for civilian contractors in the ministry of defense.

THe silver police medal looks to be a nice early type with hot enamel on the prismatic star. As Dan pointed out this is the silver type: issued for 15 years of service in the police forces.

Lastly you have the 'Service to the Fatherland' medal in bronze. This was the first medal designed and issued by decree of the Ministry of Defense (boefre it had been the council of ministers or the presidents council who created medals and orders) in 1956, just a month before the October 23rd revolution... Though after the revolution of 1956 the medal was continued. Though in my opinion one of the most honorable looking medals - it was only awarded for a 'good job' - 'pat on the back' type of medal. The bronze being the lowest grade.

Hi Charles,

Many thanks for popping in to the rescue... on these and on the book you sent over. I deeply appreciate all the hard work that went into that and hope to chat with you about it in the next day or two. I know it will be a big help to me in learning all I need to know.

Dan

[hipnos]

Gordon - my condolances.

Gordon did a great explination on the two outter medals. These were the type issued in 1964 as long service medals to individuals in uniform. The following year a new design was created and a Gordon explained this type was set for civilian contractors in the ministry of defense.

THe silver police medal looks to be a nice early type with hot enamel on the prismatic star. As Dan pointed out this is the silver type: issued for 15 years of service in the police forces.

Lastly you have the 'Service to the Fatherland' medal in bronze. This was the first medal designed and issued by decree of the Ministry of Defense (boefre it had been the council of ministers or the presidents council who created medals and orders) in 1956, just a month before the October 23rd revolution... Though after the revolution of 1956 the medal was continued. Though in my opinion one of the most honorable looking medals - it was only awarded for a 'good job' - 'pat on the back' type of medal. The bronze being the lowest grade.

Thanks to both of you Gordon and hunyadi

Miguel

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

Here's my latest acquisition... a presentation set of badges representing the different branches of service of the Hungarian military (the pics are Zsolt's and used with his kind permission... mucho thanks my friend! ):

[Hauptmann]

Hoping to have it in about a week or so as it's on it's way from Hungary. Can't wait to see it in person.

Again many thanks to Zsolt for providing yet another beautiful addition to my Hungarian collection.

Dan

[Gordon Craig]

Dan,

Very nice addition to your collection. I haven't seen one of these before. Good thing you saw it before me! These badges also exist without the early star and roundel insignia.

Regards,

Gordon

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

It's been a bit but here's my latest addition to my Hungarian collection... a cased Vallalat Kivalo Brigadja Medal:

Seller's pic... will do better once it arrives.

Any additional info on this would be deeply appreciated.

I wanted to bid on this about a month or so ago. Couldn't do it as had several other things pending and didn't know if I'd have enough. Turned out I did and no one else bid. I wrote the seller but he wanted to relist. Took him all this time. Yet again, no other bidders so Kim bid on it for me as I was out of town yesterday when it ended. Won it with no competition.

Dan :cheers:

[Gordon Craig]

Dan,

You can refer to this thread for info on this cased medallion. There is not a lot of info on this non portable award. It is possible this was awarded after a person received several of the small badges of the same name or it may have been awarded to just the Brigad it self. No other information is available at this time. I can not access my files on my computer for a few days. Got hit with a real nasty virus this morning and I had to tak the PC into have the hard drive wiped. I don't think I have much info in my files on y=this particular medalion anyway.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1446...cialista+brigad

Regards,

Gordon

[Hauptmann]

Hi Gordon,

Many thanks for the additional info. I do remember viewing that post a while back but didn't clearly remember that particular award being in there. Must be why I had this strange feeling in the back of my mind that I'd seen it before.

Glad I was able to get one as it looks like a nice piece with a very nice case... and I do love cases!

Dan :cheers:

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

My newest bar... just won on Ebay two days ago:

Photos are the sellers (ladihun on Ebay).

Dan :cheers:

[Ulsterman]

Nice!

No Munkasor medal too. Regular army?

[Hauptmann]

Nice!

No Munkasor medal too. Regular army?

Hi Jeff,

Actually not sure. Hoping Charles will pop on and comment. He had actually seen this bar when he was still over in Hungary and yet had already made some purchases and decided to pass on this one so it wouldn't put him over the top. But he likes it and gave it his blessings.

Also once I have it in hand (probably a couple of weeks I'd guess although hoping sooner) I'll do up some nice scans to show more detail.

Anyhow I'll leave it up to Charles (or perhaps Gordon) to pop on and tell us more.

Thanks!

Dan :cheers:

[Gordon Craig]

Dan,

I was waiting for Charles as well but I guess he is tied up with the move, house buying etc. I'll take a stab at it though all of my reference material is still packed from my move. I would say this is more likely a Munkasor bar than a military one. Hopefully Charles will confirm, or deny, shortly.

Regards,

Gordon

[hunyadi]

Well - we have a house (apparently) and will close in early August (supposedly).... but - on this bar - its a military one - nothing to speculate that its Munkasor: 1956 Return of Power, Service Medal, Service to the Fatherland and the Dist Service Medals of 15-20-25 years is a pretty common military bar for a career officer who joined in 1949-1950 era.